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    Spencer

    Hi Everyone,

    I am a recently afflicted hard flaccid sufferer and I’m so glad I found this place. Maybe it will be beneficial for folks if I begin documenting this ASAP, seeing as it’s only been 3 days since this odd thing has happened to my weiner. Here’s my history…

    – 32 yrs old

    – recently married

    – pretty slow sex life with the wife, which has been substituted with internet

    porn and masturbation. started experiencing mild ED with the wife, and with porn pretty much need constant stimulation to keep it up

    – sore prostate (have had several exams over the past few months) but with no infection in the blood, semen or urine

    – pretty severe pelvic floor tension issues, clenching while on the toilet, clenching during masturbation (which I think may be significant) and generally unwellness in the groin. beginning physical therapy this week with a PF specialist.

    – under a LOT of emotional and mental stress over the past year (money, work, sex life, etc)

    – found out last week that i am infertile, probably caused buy all what you’ll read below.

    – left testicle seems to be shrinking. doc says normal, i say not.

    So here’s the deal. If some of this seems unrelated then I’m sorry, but for me I think it is as it documents how the hell I got where I’m at and what I think is going on.

    In the weeks leading up to our wedding (very stressful time) in October 2010 I developed an aching right testicle, and it was kind of sagging. Thought I pulled a belly muscle or something so I ignored it and it pretty much vanished once the wedding was over and by the time we were on our honeymoon it was gone – at least not bad enough for me to feel the need to see a doctor.

    Fast forward to January 2011 and it’s back in a major way. This also happened to be a very stressful time for us on a number of levels. This time I felt I needed to see a doctor. I’m in Manhattan and luckily have access to some very good ones. I was quickly diagnosed with Epididymitis. The doctor took blood and urine for testing and prescribed LEVAQUIN (which is in the same family as Cipro). After 3 days on it (6 doses) I couldn’t walk and thought I was having an out of body experience. Almost ruptured a tendon in my wrist. Doc switched me to DOXYCYCLINE.

    The next day my lab results came back. All normal. No white blood cells or bacteria in urine and pretty much totally normal blood work. Had high triglycerides and high cholestorol and slightly low RBC, but I’ve had those show up before. Was told to continue Doxy regimin. During this time I was still suffering greatly from the Levaquin poisoning and was pretty much in a constant state of severe panic that the side effects would never go away and left me crippled. I was taking CHELATED MAGNESIUM and number of other supplements that were supposed to help clear the Levaquin from my body.

    I finished my ten day dose of Doxy but the Epididymitis hadn’t cleared. Visited a urologist and he prescribed me another 2 weeks. More clean blood and urine test results. Epididymitis cleared and felt pretty good for a few days. Then it came back, along with a night of fever and feeling sick all over. Went into the emergency room was giving a CT SCAN of the abdomen and groin. They found enlarged lymph nodes in my abdomen, which could mean just having a stomach virus, something more serious. Another clean blood and urine workup. A prostate and testicular exam with no findings of infection, just swelling. Went home. That night I became incredibly thirsty, not dehydrated, just dry mouth. And had a swollen lymph node in my cheek.

    The very next day I went back to my GP and he performed a digital rectal exam (finger up the butt) and it send a shockwave of pain thru me like I’ve never felt. He took more blood and urine and prescribed me BACTRIM, because obviously Levaquin wasn’t doing the trick. Also told me to “EJACULATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AT LEAST ONCE A DAY”. After the second Bactrim dose I was having sharp pains in my face and red burnt skin. Stopped immediately and called the doc. He ordered me to switch to Macrobid. I thought “enough is enough”. No more dangerous medicine that doesn’t work. I started taking Doxy again on my own. Blood and urine come back a few days later – totally clean. The Thirst continued and I visited an ENT specialist and he said it was my SALIVARY GLAND malfunctioning and likely due to taking strong antibiotics for so long and that they can “screw up your hormones”.

    At this point I’m researching and getting the feeling that I maybe don’t have any infection at all and start looking into pelvic muscle issues and visit my urologist. I tell him that I feel like the antibiotics are taking their toll on my body and I want to get off them. Performs another finger exam and it def hurts but sympathizes with my situation and decides a month of strong antibiotics is enough for one human being to endure and tells me to explore the pelvic floor angle if I wish. i start doing so and stopped taking Doxy. started taking Garlic as a safe antibiotic, just in case there is a mild infection still, and some supplements, really monitoring my diet, and masturbating frequently (as ordered by my doctor). Here’s where shit goes from bad to worse.

    I start taking SAW PALMETTO, stupidly. Didn’t really know what it was, just that it said “Prostate” on the bottle. I took the max dose on the bottle for about 2 weeks, along with the Garlic, Selenium, Omega-3, C with Quercetin, D3 and a Multi. We’re about caught up with where I’m at now.

    Over the past two weeks my brain has been in a severe fog. Physically I was feeling much better, but I’ve had major depression and feeling just “off” – but actually very much looking forward to beginning physical therapy and that put me back in a positive frame of mind. Until just three days go…

    I was really stressed and trying to finish up a work project late at night (I work from home) and throughout the evening wound up masturbating 2 or 3 times. Went to bed. Woke up and before leaving the house in the afternoon I masturbated one more time, showered immediately after, and then left the house for the day. That was 2 days ago and I’ve had hard flaccid ever since.

    Called my urologist yesterday (known as one of the best in manhattan) and he told me “hard when flaccid? that’s not possible. maybe the beginning of a Peyronie’s-like thing. you’re fine.” not satisfied, i went to the ER last night at the best hospital in NYC. my blood pressure read as 135/50, which is higher than normal for me. my penis stumped every doctor in the ER, including the urologist. they all said “this is very unusual.” but offered no help, wouldn’t take any blood tests or scans (i begged) and sent me home very angry and distraught. that was last night. i loaded up on omega-3 and went to bed.

    so, here i am. CURRENT SITUATION…

    i have had morning wood both mornings since this happened. also got wood the first night spontaneously from just a quick makeout with the wife. when i’m laying down it can get to what basically feels and looks like 100% normal to me and my wife. seems that only when i am lying very still and relaxed that it becomes normal, and any kind of moving around (even typing this) makes it hard flaccid again. this does seem like an improvement from yesterday, where i think the best it would get would be like 70% normal when laying down. standing up is still hard and thin. and scary.

    WHAT I AM CONFIDENT OF:

    – a combination of antibiotics, stress and (probably) Saw Palmetto whacked my hormones and body out considerably, which I think is a major factor in whatever has been triggered in my body right now – including leaving me infertile.

    WHAT CONFUSES ME:

    – why does this only present itself when standing up? why can i lay down and see my old penis doing fine, then stand up and it’s a hard acorn? this makes zero sense to me. doesn’t that say it HAS to be circulatory or muscular? also, my high blood pressure reading last night makes me concerned.

    – since the hospital refused to do a Doppler Ultrasound last night; IS BLOOD MOVING IN THERE? the head is cold. the shaft is rock hard. how can it be possibly be getting sufficient blood?

    – is Dr. Richards’ in really all B.S.? some of it seems logical, but maybe it’s because i don’t understand what any of it means scientifically.

    – could this just be a strain or form of Peyronie’s? that would suck.

    – has anyone actually just healed from this? seems every longterm case i see is on a “jelqing” forum or hasn’t taken any steps to help it immediatelty. has anyone in the world had it happen, then stopped all sexual activity, rested, to have their penis returned completely to normal on their own in a short amount of time?

    WHAT SCARES ME:

    – how can i make sure that fibrosis is not occurring?! do i just stay laying down all day because that is when it feels normal? surely it can’t be healing while its a shriveled rock.

    – Peyronie’s

    – waiting too long

    – permanence

    I am seeing my GP tomorrow morning. I want to insist that he perform all of the proper tests. What should I be requesting, and without sounding like a nutjob? All of the doctors last night at first glance were like “it looks normal” and then i told them to give it a squeeze and they all went “whoa, weird!”. Maybe I’m lucky enough to be a little on the hung side, so it doesn’t look all that bad, but it’s literally about half it’s correct size.

    Perhaps this really is a tissue spasm or injury, which I think should be healable. One thing I’ve read is that a healthy amount of testosterone is essential for maintaining the integrity of the penis tissues. So my main concern would be that I injured my penis while my testosterone was too low to fix it. And God, please do not become fibrous on me.

    Trying really hard not to panic but I’m afraid to get up and walk around. Is there any chance that it will just heal up being off all those meds and herbs, resting and chilling out a bit? I’m willing to go the full mile with doctors and I am lucky enough to have good health insurance right now. I’ll see anyone and show it to anyone willing to help me or has any clue what this is.

    This hurts because it’s another huge log on the fire of problems as we’re trying to have our first baby. This is bad but I will get this fixed, just don’t want to go crazy in the process.

    Thanks for reading and for sharing.[/b]

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    #14743

    Jose

    quick followup…

    Couple things I am now looking into more closely as what this is…

    – a Prispism WITH a Tissue/Muscle Injury Combined

    and/or

    – Soft tissue damage from Levaquin

    Reason for the first one is all night now I am having what I believe are hypertension symptoms. Headache, dizziness, ears feel plugged up. Had to ask my wife several times if she could hear the tv because I couldn’t. Basically I just feel like when you do a headstand and all the blood rushes to your head. Combined with my higher than normal blood pressure reading at the hospital last night, has me thinking. Actually getting a little worried since this feeling isn’t going away.

    As for the Levaquin stuff, this is just a shot in the dark considering the damage it did to my tendons 2 months ago with just a tiny dose. Levaquin leaches Magnesium from your connective tissues, usually tendons. But are soft tissues all that different? If it can damage your tendons why can’t it damage others? I also believe that those who are more adversely effected by Levaquin have a pre-existing magnesium deficiency of some kind. I see someone on another forum was cured with Magnesium. Has me wondering.

    Also exploring the idea of heavy metal toxicity, as someone here related to theirs situation. I don’t have many obvious reasons to think I’ve got that other than the industrial strength Certain Dry deodorant I’ve been using for a few years. It’s Aluminum, which some consider a toxic and others do not.

    Due to the major difference when laying down, I can’t help but ignore the blood issue. Perhaps it really is a Priapism + tissue injury combined, and without the tissue injury it would just be an obvious Priapism? Or Priapism + Peyronie’s onset?

    Of all the conditions in the world, this particular one seems to be very much isolated to people with above normal physical stress on their penises and their minds. I’ve actually never seen anything quite so specific when looking for information online. How can this not be an injury?

    If it were a Priapism, have we all missed the “window” for fixing it already though? Or perhaps the accompanying tissue injury is what is keeping it from becoming life-threatening?

    I dunno. I just can’t ignore the blood flow situation I am experiencing.

    Thoughts?

    #14744

    Eloy

    Sorry to post so much in one day but as I look further into the muscle possibility, take a look at this and tell me what you think. No replies, and he’s wording the symptoms a bit different than most people, but it’s all there. “Can’t get it to fill with blood” is the kicker for me.

    And just so happens that’s the muscle I clench uncontrollably during masturbation (and on the toilet). Hmmmmm….

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    #14745

    Lazaro

    It could be from the poor blood circulation in your pelvic area, thats why i some of us who take fishoil or any blood thinners feels more comfortable in that area and the sense of feeling congested in the prostate improves to low congestion.

    do some deep and extensive blood tests the tests the thyroid and other imbalances in your hormones

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    post your results over here for our suggestions and opinions…this may help u in facing this problem

    #14746

    Ernie

    hey .

    I got a headache so I only skimmed through your post. When I reread the whole thing if I haves something to add I will. I got hard flaccid too.

    You’re theorizing that it could be anything at this point, and thats where I was when this just started. I’ve had it for a year and a half now. Let me fast forward you to where I am today.

    It’s great that you got prostate tested first. That’s the first thing in the process of elimination.

    I’m almost 100% certain it’s not peyronnies or any of that.

    It’s either one of two things: hormonal imbalance or pelvic floor dysfunction.. and prostatitis on top of those two is only worse.

    I finally got saliva and blood tested for adrenal, thyroid and androgen hormones not too long ago.. and basically everything was out of wack. Thyroid function low, adrenal low, tesotsterone low, and estradiol high.

    In a way I’m happy that there are these imbalances.. and hoping (not hoping, certain) that when I balance all those hormones back to normal values, all symptoms will be gone.

    One member of this forum, Chris, had the hard flaccid among other problems for many years, and he was slowly tweaking his hormones one after another.. and long story short when he balanced everything.. all his symptoms disappeared. Well most of em.. but hard flaccid was gone.. thats most important.

    And basically that’s the only case I know of someone recovering from hard flaccid due to hormonal imbalance.

    BTW forgot to mention hard flaccid can be caused in two ways in you haven’t heard: hormonal imbalance and physical injury (usually from stretching or jelquing exercises). There are ways to tell if your injury is hormonal or physical. For example if you feel like shit the day after jerking off.. like I do.. then its probably hormonal. But either way you should get tested for all hormones and the results will show if it is hormonal or not.

    People that got it from injury have made a full recovery at other forums. But I don’t know much about it.

    So basically now I’m in the process of getting more testing done. When I gather all results I will see all my deficiencies and decide to a plan to tackle them one by one. What we do is work on fixing one hormone, get retested, then address the next, get rested.. and so on until everything is balanced.

    You would start off by taking supplements to see how much they help, if not enough switch to hormones, if not enough then get on testosterone replacement therapy. But thats a long story.

    In short. don’t stress for now. Tough that you’re recently married but you’re gonna have to explain to your wife to work with you.

    Forget those local doctors. This is an issue that only several doctors in the world will be able to help you with.

    If you got the time and will go and see a urologist. Have him run all the tests possible to find some kinda micro-trauma in the penis or pelvic floor muscles.. any clues at all that will point to this being a physical issue. Because so far not one person has gotten help from a urologist. Most of the time explaining ‘hard flaccid’ is just out of their reality..so you’ll be lucky to find one that will listen.

    I’ve never been to a urologist.

    Next, or in the meantime, you’re gonna need to get tested for all hormones and neurotransmitters either through a private lab or through a doctor you’re working with. Later on we can tell you which labs and which tests.

    It would be in your benefit to work with a doctor like Dr. Mariano or Dr. Crisler who specialize in hormones and have dealt with complicated cases like these. But that costs $ and time.. so for now just get tests on your own.. later on decide if you are gonna go through with the doc or not. For now I’m on my own.

    Then when you get results back, post them here, we’ll compare them with mine and other peoples. We’ll see if it is hormonal, and which hormones need tuning and go from there.

    All this takes a fucking long time. The process to recovery is tedious and stressful.. so get used to being patient cuz that’s all we can do in the meantime as we wait weeks for this and that.

    But the good news, amazing news, is that its treatable. Only one guy’s done it on this forum but thats good enough for me. I’m just planning on taking all the steps he did.

    Try not to jerk off often right now.

    If you want relief from ‘brain fog’.. take a bunch of vitamin C, vitamin B100, sea salt with water, apple cider.

    Taking tylenol might subside your hard flaccid for about 24 hours.. and generally subside most of your symptoms. I’m not gonna get into the mechanics but the ingredients in tylenol help a lot. But a lot of people with hard flaccid build a tolerance quickly, so now if I take tylenol it doesn’t alleviate hard flaccid anymore but it still helps me feel better with better mental clarity.

    So I say take tylenol only on those nights when you want to get in on with the wife and dont take it otherwise cuz you might build a tolerance quickly. Take like 2-4 tylenols, and I;m guessing that the first few times it will make hard flaccid disappear. And it helps with premature ejaculation which we now got thanks to this. So let us know how it works out.

    Post when you’re ready to get the testing done. For now dont worry about vitamins.. it wont make a difference until you get on real medication that you need.

    As far as pelvic floor disorder – I don’t know much about it and dont even wanna think about it, because I’m pretty sure that its hormone related.. at least in my case.. I already know my hormones are out of range.. why would I not believe its a hormonal issue?

    #14747

    Chance

    Thanks for the replies fellas, really appreciate it.

    I know for sure there is congestion in my pelvis, no doubt. It’s caused me to have Epididymitis and Prostatitis, but without any bacterial infection. I’m starting pelvic floor physical therapy with Amy Stein (I highly recommend her book) this week. I mentioned to her during a phone consult (before the hard flaccid happened) that I might have a varicocele and she said they should be able to help get the blood circulating around much better down there. I will be asking her to help me focus on the bulbocavernosus and the anal muscles, because those seem to be my two biggest problems right now.

    If I am optimistic then I am under the assumption I’ve got some kind of Pevic Myoneuropathy as explained here: [MOD EDIT: URL Removed] caused by some kind of disruption of my HPA access or “adrenal fatigue” as explained here: [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    It makes sense. I am a bundle of pain and nerves and clenched muscles down there. Combine that with two months of misdiagnosed illnesses, lethargy, inactivity, depression, anxiety and an assortment of meds and supplements that messed up my hormones already – and a doctor prescribing me to “ejaculate as much as possible”. It’s no wonder I short circuited something.

    I think “sexual exhaustion” is a real thing. I think this is it. I think it’s hormonal AND physical. I’m beginning to think that the two are prerequisites for it. It’s impossible to ignore the similarities of the people it effects. Tons of people masturbate too much every day and don’t have this. But those people probably don’t have pelvic floor tension, or do penis enhancement exercises that overwork the muscles in question. Mine are overworked from a combination of recent excessive masturbation and months of stress and clenching and spasms.

    The hormonal aspect is the one that is more scary, probably because I understand it so little. But I do believe that anything is correctable. I took antibiotics and supplements like Saw Palmetto and Quercetin etc for a few weeks. I don’t think those things on their could do a lifetime of damage for most people, but I think it’s likely that those things, combined with too much meaningless sexual activity and the anxieties associated with longterm illness are enough to push them a bit further out of whack. But still, correctable. And I think that the effects of the stress hormones from having this contribute significantly. Does anyone know if they had normal hormones before this happened? Perhaps it’s a precursor, or perhaps it’s a result.

    Today I had a phone conversation with who is considered to be “thee man” regarding special case urological issues, Dr. Francois Eid in NYC, and he told me that he has never heard of or seen anything like this and had no thoughts other than that “perhaps the cavernosa muscles is contracted” and suggested I make an appointment. My urologist, who is known as one of the best, is who recommended I call this guy as he didn’t have a clue of his own. With that, I am officially giving up on urologists for the time being.

    I am going to explore how to do a “reboot” of my adrenal system. Maybe acupuncture?

    SOME EARLY PROGRESS:

    Last night I was very hopeful before going to bed. I was doing some trigger point massage from Amy Stein’s book and when I hit a certain few spots I could literally feel the blood start pumping hard under my finger and felt my penis turn to its soft and spongy self in my other hand! This spot is the one mentioned in that link I posted above. For me, it is a lump deep in the perineum just north of the anus. From what I can tell it’s the spot where the bulbocavernosa muscles attaches to the muscle below it. I could be wrong though. Whatever it is, it seems to be significant.

    I didn’t have much luck with that spot when standing up though. I’m guessing there must be multiple spots like this that I need to address, and they will differ between sitting and standing. I’m really hoping the PT can be of help in finding them. Based on the book I’m reading, I’m guessing some of these spots will be up my butt, unfortunately. I really wanted to get soft flaccid while standing so last night I did an initial finger invasion on myself while standing, not pleasant, but I will say that as soon as I got in there and breathed out and relaxed my penis went completely soft in my hand! This didn’t last long but it’s a start. Will need to get some medical lube and give it a closer try tonight.

    I can say 100% certainly that the muscle that I always clench during masturbation is pretty much out of commission right now. I can try to clench but it doesn’t do much of anything. And I don’t think it’s because it’s broken. I think it’s because it’s already clenched. I’m not going to force anything. But I am going to drink as much as possible so that I can pee as much as possible since that’s probably the only activity it’s getting, and the only way to get fresh blood into my unit.

    Couple times today I felt some pain near the front of my hips. Going to explore that with massage as well.

    QUICK COUPLE QUESTIONS:

    For those of you who have had this for a long time; Did you go totally hands-off as soon as this happened, or did you continue masturbating or whatever for a bit afterward?

    Have you tried this finding the pain point in your perineum that I mentioned while lying down?

    #14748

    Guy

    1. I continued jerking but with a much lower frequency because when I first got this, after ejaculating I’d get severe hard flaccid, and it would generally return to 100% normal after a week or so. I’ve had periods when I was completely abstaining and it did help.. with energy levels and mental clarity at least.. but its not realistic for me to be abstaining forever because I constantly slip.. so now I just try it down to a normal frequency.

    2. I’ve done stretching and perinium massage in the summer, and yes, pressing on certain point did alleviate the tension somewhat, but as soon as I’d get up and get on with my day the tension would come right back.. so I stopped with that.

    That’s a great link you posted

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    Now that I’m thinking about this more and more.. perhaps pelvic floor tension and hormones are related and go hand in hand. Perhaps fixing hormones will get rid of most of the pelvic tension like it did in Chris’s case.. and tylenol was the last nail on the coffin that got rid of the tension and PE.

    Or perhaps getting rid of the tension with massage will help out hormone profile.. like reduce PGE2 and prolactin.. but I really doubt it will help my hormones much which need serious med intervention.. especially thyroid and E2.

    Chris told me that hard flaccid still wasn’t gone 100% after he balanced all hormones and neuros and PE wasnt gone. And it wasnt until he started taking tylenol. So that supports the pelvic floor theory.. but for him, fixing his adrenals, thyroid, and e2 improved his energy levels dramatically.. so I’d say hormones need to be balanced either way.. and then perhaps look at the pelvic tension.

    From the article:

    “It is important to point out at this stage that there are many other factors which, whilst not common, could give rise to some of the symptoms of CPPS. It is therefore essential to see a urologist and be examined for any urological conditions such as strictures, UTI and bacterial prostatitis. Once these conditions have been either ruled out (most patients) or treated, it is then essential to have a full pelvic floor examination, which consists of two parts: a manual exam and a computerised EMG assessment of pelvic floor function.”

    So there is a way to actually test pelvic floor tension with EMG. We should get on that. But then the tension could be due to hormonal imbalance solely.. you’ll never know.

    #14749

    Beau

    I think we are getting somewhere, I like this.

    I am paying special attention to what you say about addressing things “in a specific order” to find the real solution. I think that is key. We could probably play chicken or egg all day with doctors and tests and get nowhere. Western medicine will always approach things in order of pain, obviousness, commonness and just what’s generally easiest and cheapest for them. How do you think I spent 40 days taking antibiotics without having an infection at all? Because writing me a prescription is way easier and cheaper than doing an active culture of prostate fluid or semen. It’s as simple as that.

    And until recently most traditional urologists thought the Standford team investigating all of this pelvic floor prostate stuff was just hogwash. Until actual hard data started to surface, and they are finally realizing how many lives they ruined by removing people prostates for no reason. Still, they are pretty clueless outside the world of drugs and surgery. The only medicine I am aware of that treats things in an order that takes the other systems into account would be Traditional Chinese Medicine.

    Tomorrow my wife and I are meeting with an endocrinologist at NYU. We are there to discuss fertility issues, but in light of all this new shit that has come up – we will definitely be talking about this as well.

    Tension, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THESE MUSCLES, has to go hand in hand with hormone function. Simply because almost all of these muscles are parasympathetic and operate automatically under control of our chemical systems. A misfire on either side will send wrong messages back and forth, and the other side will react to it accordingly. Over and over. Probably doesn’t really matter what came first when you think about it.

    Over time your pelvis is saying “I am done peeing” when it really means “I am almost done peeing” so your adrenal system says “ok, no problem – i’ll shut her down then”. Ever clench in the middle of a crap on the toilet? I’ve done it my whole life. And it’s to the point now that if I do, I have to wait an hour to finish because the sensation of actually having to crap goes away completely. My ass muscles just told my adrenal system “I’m all finished” when it wasn’t even close. So the crapping mechanisms shut off. I do know this for sure, the stress hormones that are pumping through our veins are harmful for our mentality and the tissue in our penis.

    In our case, from so much overriding of the parasympathetic muscles with our clenching and tension or exercises or whatever, that eventually the adrenal system is telling our penis to do the wrong thing. Maybe it thinks we are still having sex, or not, or it thinks we are swimming in a pool, or being attacked, or who knows. I think the communication between these two systems (and maybe even a third) is the key to snapping everything back into place. Once one is back on track the other will follow suit. They are still in sync, they just both sent each other the wrong message too many times back and forth. That’s my unscientific theory. But it’s all I’ve got and it makes sense to me. We’ll see what the doctors say.

    I have documented my entire physical and emotional situation for them and have a pretty clear picture of my health between now and two months ago, and it’s a drastic change. This is pretty much the icing on the shittiest cake I’ve ever had to eat. But I am not only confident that we will get to the bottom of this sooner than later, but that it will also end being the key to why I am suddenly infertile to boot. We just want our brains and our dicks back, I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    I think no matter how hard you try to get the chemicals balanced, a wrong message from down below could send them spazzing out again. Either system can probably reset itself but I’d think starting with the muscles is more hands on and immediate. The fact that I stuck my finger up my ass and my penis filled up with blood is a good sign for me. Jeez, never thought I’d hear myself saying something like that.

    PS: If you haven’t been to a urologist what makes you sure it’s not Peyronie’s?

    I saw someone on another forum have hard flaccid for a while and then I think they finally got diagnosed with Peyronie’s. Makes me wonder too if this is what Peyronie’s really is. A bunch of people who had pelvic floor problems, went hard flaccid, and then injured their dicks whilst in that state.

    #14750

    Ken

    I like your optimism.

    And yes of course hormones and muscles are interconnected. Everyone on this forum has a too dominant sympathetic system and weak parasympathetic. I know for a fact I have some stage of adrenal fatigue.. so yes the excess norepinephrine and prostaglandin E2 (pge2) could be the reason the pelvic floor muscles are tense. If thats the case then reducing norepinephrine and pge2 to normal levels and fixing adrenal fatigue should fix the problem.

    But a more serious problem would be that pelvic floor muscles are tense even without adrenal fatigue. In that case we dont really know what’s causing them to tense in the first place.

    Anyway we dont really have answers for now. What I know is that my hormones are out of balance so the first goal ahead of me is balancing every one of the hormones. Then I’ll see what happens. Either all symptoms will be gone or maybe hard flaccid wont entirely be gone. If not entirely then I’ll look into massage and so on.. but balancing hormones is necessary either way for good health so I’m focusing on that first.

    I don’t know that its not peyronies for sure. Like I said before hard flaccid is due to pelvic muscle tension.. but there can be different causes of the tension.. either hormonal.. or injury.. or genetic or something else..

    but I know at least 3 people from this forum and like 5 from another who’ve went to a urologist with hard flaccid and they were all told that physically everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about.

    Again, my hormones are ridiculously out of range.. so that leads me to believe that my case is hormone related.. we’ll see what happens when I balance them.

    #14751

    Faustino

    It’s great to finally get another person on the board who doesn’t think these things are mutually fucking exclusive.

    I too think the problem resides in pevlic floor dysfunction, and I’m glad to hear you’ve come in contact with the best. The problem with these sorts of fields of medicine is they are filled with con artists so one must be wary of who they go to and where they spend their money.

    Make sure to keep us posted as to how these appointments with the PF specialist goes.

    I’ve had this since October, I’m 18 and mine started with marijuana use. Over the past months I’ve had this I’ve grown more and more aware of my pelvic floor muscles as I routinely focus on them. Recently I’ve been making a conscious effort to release them.

    Tips I’ve acquired in the past month or so:

    – Masturbating/sex while lying down greatly lessens the stress on the pelvic floor, very often I feel BETTER after ejaculating while lying down than not ejaculating at all.

    – While walking and standing, you may not notice this, but we are subconsciously tightening our Pelvic floor muscles. Over these past months I’ve worked on become aware of when these muscles are clenched, and trying to make a conscious effort to unclench them.

    – The greatest progress I’ve had was actually today. I walked about a kilometer and did so without a hard flaccid, which is the first time I’ve done that in months. This is from constantly making a conscious effort to release the clenching of my pelvic floor.

    – The pelvic floor muscles work in almost layers, very often you may notice the top layer of clenching and release it, and that decieves you into thinking you have released all of your muscles, but you haven’t. I have noticed almost like 3 layers of muscle clenching I’ve peeled back. Each “layer” of muscle that is pulled back, softens my penis more than before it was released. However I don’t think I’ve succeeded in reaching that bottom “layer.”

    – all of that is very unscientific and it’s sort of only explainable when you actually feel it.

    What you should do is while walking throughout the day, focus on releasing and relaxing the muscles you use for a bowl movement, and you’ll find that you are most likely clenching these muscles without even realizing it… This is the first step.

    I know pelvic floor dysfunction has something to do with this… I have perfectly fine hormones yet I have a hard flaccid.

    Anyways, keep us updated on the PF specialist, that makes me really interested.

    #14752

    Jed

    Awesome guys, let’s stay on track hardcore with this. No way in hell I’m letting it even rest for a minute. I am certain that there’s no way having this for any extended period of time will not lead to tissue damage.

    Dunno about you guys, but my perineum since this happened is KILLING me. It’s tight, burning and just feels like a major muscle rip. Also, there’s got to be some nerve pressure or aggravation happening because I am trying for all of my life to flex my BC muscles and I simply cannot do it. At best, I’ll get a weird spasm from my pubes area. No penis movement at all.

    Here’s a link I found of a guy with hard flaccid who got it after getting an injection of what seems to be a combo of hormones and antibiotics directly into his prostate. More confusion. Antibiotic damage? Hormone damage? Nerve damage? All three? WTF.

    If this injection shrunk his prostate then you might be able to rule out nerve compression, or vice versa. Assuming this doctor didn’t just inject him with water for a quick buck; What is the correlation of us and him?

    He doesn’t really sound like someone who was hanging weights off his dong or doing marathon jerk off sessions, ya know? So maybe it’s the hormones. You’d figure that if you want to shrink a prostate you’d use some anti-androgens of some kind.

    I know I still have prostatitis because a useless 24 doctor stuck his hand up my ass the other night in the ER and it still hurt like always. But still, no infection. I also know that when your prostate is enlarged it leaches testosterone from your body and pools it all in there. So if your prostate is already aggravated because you’re a clencher, then you introduce hormone imbalances into the mix, maybe it starts leaching stuff besides the testosterone that you don’t have?

    I’m really hoping I can get all my tests while this is still fresh. My brain is already mush so I’m assuming they’ll be wonky. It would be awesome if we lucked out and someone happened to know their stable and healthy levels BEFORE this shit happens, and then compare them to after. I’m not 100% convinced that much of the imbalance people see comes from the stress of having a non-functioning mystery condition in their genitals.

    Tomorrow I am calling this guy, he is probably our last hope as far as normal medical doctors go. He’s the #1 dude on Peyronie’s, which I think could be helpful because he can at least talk about the erectile tissue with some real authority. He also seems to be an active researcher, which I respect.

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    Only other thoughts that come to mind could be a freakout of the Cowper’s Gland? It’s controlled by the prostate (I think) and lives inside the Bulb, which is where the BC and penis shake hands. Just a thought.

    I also joined over at this forum and immediately got a response. Another CPPS/Prostatitis and hard flaccid. Waiting to get more info out of him. Interesting shit. [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    I know that I didn’t even realize I had pelvic pain until I had a prostate exam and started REALLY paying attention to my ass and leg muscles. Plus the crazy clenching of the BC during sex and toilet. I never made the correlation until recently though. I bet there are more like us.

    I am putting together an online form for people to fill out that will chart our results with graphs and tables etc. I’m already tracking all this stuff in spreadsheets on my own, will hopefully make it much easier for us to work out what’s going on. Will keep everyone posted.

    PS: I’m finding a lot of info by Googling for semi-related stuff like “cold penis and prostate” etc. Finding a ton of people outside the realm of PE and sex addict territory with this. Unfortunately, so far they are all people with a recent prostate removal and suffering from ED. So far all I can put together is that it’s being written off as nerve damage from the surgery and not a hormone drop. See what you can come up with.

    PPS: : When you walked that mile with a softy; Was it a REAL genuine one? Like spongy and full? I haven’t been able to keep that at all unless I am laying down. Which reminds me: WHAT ABOUT THE BLOOD GUYS?

    There has to be a NON-HORMONAL physical difference between when we’re laying and standing. Has to be. Do your hormones change instantly when you get up and walk across your living room? No way. There is a nerve and/or vessel compression factor at work too.

    I will have to try and convince someone to give me a scan both sitting and standing. Has anyone done that?

    #14753

    Whitney

    Frenchiman : You don’t develop Tylenol (Paracetamol) resistance. Read something on the chemistry of Paracetamol how it works and you’ll understand. Only thing that happens is that the placebo effect wears off.

    Obitoo :

    So you’re aware that you are contracting BC muscle too often. It should be happening also during sex or even manual masturbation.

    Before I was plagued with the ailment you all share my BC muscle was never really contracting when I was receiving felatio or doing penetration. During the “bad” times the BC muscles whenever the tongue or anything basicaly touched the head of the penis the BC muscles clenched and my dick just started jumping up and down (if you have an erection and do a kegel the penis starts moving). I even received the comment from my then partner that my penis during felatio seemed very “nervous”, “anxious”, “restless”. The worst thing was that whenever the BC muscle clenched I couldn’t enjoy the pleasurable waves of stimulation. Sort of like my penis totally lost its previous sensitivity. The BC contraction masked the real feelings coming from that area so basicaly the penis was sensitive but the abnormal BC contractions caused corrupted pleasure signals.

    The worst thing was that these abnormal BC contractions were masking normal orgasmic contractions and together created orgasms that put me into an insane brain fog and two weeks of feeling like I have to stay in the bed and “weather” the storm of horrible side effects.

    Once the abnormal BC contractions were away so were the symptoms and all post-olrgasmic problems.

    Felatio, sex and mostly orgasms feel great again.. no more flight-or-fight response, no more frequent urination, no more brain-fog.. just life again

    If you wonder why people always blame the hormones and etc it’s simply because they don’t want to feel like they have an psychosomatic ailment. They don’t want to feel that they are really responsible for starting the problems and continuing the problems….

    bohooo the problems are in the hormones… bullcrap guys.. it’s you who can’t control your own body right…

    #14754

    Garrett

    Well I’m usually open to anything but this is definitely NOT psychosomatic. My penis doesn’t work. I am trying with all my might to flex the BC muscles right now and they simple do not move. I can maybe just an odd twitch to appear in my pubes area but that’s all. That’s not in my mind, it’s in my dick. And it’s starting to hurt. The head is cold and losing color.

    The only sensation I get is some very acidic urine leaking thru it every now and then burning the hell out of me. This is a straight up injury. Whether it’s due to trauma, or swelling, or nerve compression, or all three. There is a physical injury. Trust me, I have no reason to will be dick into its own death. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

    #14755

    Cleo

    You were in stress, you taxed your parasymphatetic system, stress caused sexual problems, you started subconsciously clenching, nervous brain-pelvic floor connection has been wrongly restructured, you have hard flaccid and tens of other problems comming your way. End of the story…

    of course many things like medication could very possibly push you over the edge into these kind of problems.. but it’s the brain-pelvic floor connection that has been damaged and needs repairing.. and no medication can do this… only your brain again.

    #14756

    Frankie

    POIS you come across as if you have all the answers.. but none of us has hard proof to prove our theories at this point so lets just agree that everything is up in the air. Anyone can be right and anyone can be wrong.. nothing is bullcrap though.

    Why is it so hard to realize that a hormonal imbalance can be causing pelvic floor muscles to be tense via inflammatory prostaglandin E2, excess norepinephrine, and excess estradiol?

    I’m not saying that hormones are the only cause of pelvic floor dysfunction… its one of the causes. Another cause can be psychosomatic problems like you said. Another cause can be physical injury by stretching the penis aggressively or getting hit in the groin or something, god forbid.

    I mentioned that there are actually more people posting on hard flaccid forums that are due particularly to injury. I never did jelquing or any of that.. and my hormones are out of wack as you’ve seen by my results.. that’s why i’m in this forum.

    As far as tylenol goes: there’s no placebo effect bro. When I take 2 tylenol pills and within 15 minutes I FEEL a rush of blood to my dick and I SEE my flaccid dick becoming full and plump again, that’s no placebo effect. And then I can lay, stand, walk, run, even exercise.. and it STILL won’t go back to hard flaccid. The tylenol just keeps the pelvic floor muscles relaxed. BTW I did feel them relax when I take the tylenol.

    And then after a month or so it stopped alleviating hard flaccid. Now if I take tylenol I still experience all the benefits besides only hard flaccid going away. So If I take a tylenol right now: within an hour, I’ll have more energy, more body warmth, I’ll be motivated to workout again, my mind will be clear, I’ll wake up refreshed after like 7 hours of sleep, rather than 10 that I need now.

    But for some reason it has no effect on hard flaccid anymore, or very little effect at least. Did I build a tolerance? no.. I still experience all the other benefits.

    What can it be then? either my pelvic floor muscles dont wanna relax anymore because of some psychosomatic issues like you said, either the PGE2, E2, and norepi. are too overwhelming and ya they built a resistance to tylenol now, or somethign else. It doesn’t really matter really, we’ll never find out anyway.

    You’re saying I’m one of the people that blame hormones? I don’t need to blame them.. have you seen my hormone results?

    My thyroid function is completely depleted, worse than anyone on this forum. My cortisol pattern is off and low in the mornings. My E2 is extremely high, almost over top of the range. Free T is low. And amino acid results are on the way.

    Why would I not blame hormones if ALL my hormones are out of balance? Ok maybe hormones not the entire issue and there are psychological issues too or something, its possible, but its pretty clear that I gotta fix my hormones either way if I want to feel normal.

    Obitoo, just wanted to mention one thing as far is layign and standing is concerned. Yes there is a hormonal change the second you get up from laying position. Your norepinephrine starts flowing because your body starts moving, so that can be part of the contribution to getting hard flaccid right away. Ya the fact that there’s more pressure on pelvic floor in standing position makes perfect sense, but dont neglect hormones either.. or you guys will get carried away with false assumptions.

    Hormones change every minute.

    BTW typically I have much less hard flaccid at night before bed than I do in the afternoon.

    Do you and technical have the same?

    How do you explain pelvic floor disfunction causing it? That by night time for some reason they just release and in the morning they are more tense or what?

    My explanation is that my cortisol and other hormones are better at night time (as seen by my results) and so theres less Norepinephrine and less pge2 and/or E2 and so they dont tense the pelvic floor as muchas they do in the morning, when my cortisol is at its worst.

    Also:

    “I am certain that there’s no way having this for any extended period of time will not lead to tissue damage. ”

    – Chris had it for 10 years and then when he fixed his hormones and neurotransmitters and got on tylenol, everything returned back to perfectly normal as though nothing happened.

    So I don’t think permanent tissue damage is a big concern.

    Obitoo, I never mentioned to you that when I smoke weed I instantly feel the pelvic floor muscles release and my balls start hanging nice and normal. Hard flaccid subsides to some extent at times, other times there’s no effect and it stays hard flaccid.

    But when I’m on tylenol AND smoke weed then flaccid hang and erections are nearly back to 100%.

    Do you smoke weed? wanna give this experiment a try?

    when smokes weed he actually gets the opposite effect. His pelvic muscles dont relax. So that’s really odd that we have nearly identical symptoms yet weed helps me but not him.

    Maybe that right there shows that we have two different causes for the pelvic floor tension. His hormones are also not as bad as mine.

    #14757

    Andres

    , here’s a test I can run:

    here’s what I do – I smoke a lot of chronic, wait for the pelvic floor muscles to relax like they often do, preferable I do this in the evening cuz weed helps better then, then I get tested for all the things I already got tested for. So – adrenals, thyroid, e2, and T.

    IF the results show that the hormones are still wacked, like the first time I tested, then that proves that its not a hormonal issue, and the weed simply relaxes the pelvic floor muscles.

    IF the results show that hormones look much more normal than the first time I took it, so maybe cortisol not as bad, E2 not as bad.. then we know that weed causes a hormonal change which in turn relaxes the pelvic floor muscles, and so it is a hormonal issue.

    Another option is me taking tylenol AND smoking weed. That helps even more. So if it is hormonal than hormones should look even closer to normal than if I just smoke weed. If its not hormonal, and just pelvic floor disorder, than hormone results should be unchanged.

    What do you think?

    The only problem is that if it is hormonal, we don’t know exactly which hormone/s are responsible for contracting the pelvic floor. And so if results show that all hormones are unchanged, besides cortisol for example, we might think that its not a hormonal issues afterall, when actually that one change in cortisol could have reduced Norepi production and that could have been the only factor responsible for the pelvic floor tension.

    So there’s room for error or our part because we don’t know exactly what kinda changes to expect when I’m blitz and/or on tylenol. And then I’ll waste like $300 on this for nothing.

    But in general what do you think?

    This can easily help show if it is hormonal or not.. in my case at least.

    #14758

    Chung

    I appreciate the input. Any input is good. But honestly I’ve been clenching my whole life. On the toilet, during sex. It’s been a bad reflex habit of mine for as long as I can remember. My pelvic floor issues started to surface a few months ago as far as causing me real symptoms. Having a bad disk in the lower back and scoliosis probably set me up for it with all the out of balance body parts.

    #14759

    Sammy

    @: Thanks for sharing. Yeah unfortunately weed doesn’t have a very calming effect on me. I’m probably not a good test subject for that.

    The only thing I can think of regarding day/night might be that at night we are more relaxed in general. Home from work, sitting on the couch, etc. Not really sure.

    I don’t think hormones are responsible for clenching. I think it starts purely as emotional/behavioral, and eventually becomes an automatic reflex, and the eventually feels “normal”.

    This is really starting to hurt me, anyone else in pain? Feels just really sore in the urethra or something. Good to know people have had it longterm without scarring etc.

    I’m also having increasing difficulty going to the bathroom. I immediately spasm and clench as soon as I start to pee. #2 is no picnic either. No idea why the BC muscle activates and seems to work involuntarilywhile I’m urinating but I can’t will it to move on my own to save my life.

    I’m hoping to be able to see Dr. Mulhall tomorrow. His staff were really nice trying to help me out getting in on an emergency appointment. The guy is a renowned penile tissue expert. If anything, he should be able to shed some light.

    Anyone try muscle relaxers? My wife has some Flexerils in the house.

    #14760

    Peter

    I don’t really have pain in the urethra or anywhere really.

    What i experience are these random bursts/waves of tightness. I feel my scrotum tightening up a bit, pelvic region tightening up a bit, sometimes anus tightening up a bit. It’s only mildly uncomfortable. It just comes and goes any time of the day, when I;m sitting, standing.. lasts from a few seconds to an hour. Then I’d literally feel my balls loosen up again.

    I dont have any trouble urinating or #2.. but when I first got this I used to urinate very very frequently. Probably because of weak parasympathetic function. That’s probably what you’re experiencing. It went away for me after a while.

    I never tried muscle relaxers. but there’s a forum on hard flaccid at medhelp forum where dozens of people used to post (the forum wasnt going anywhere and eventually ppl stopped posting). So one guy was taking alpha blockers. And it would suppress his hard flaccid almost instantly. He listed a bunch of different alpha blockers that he took. Most were effective and got rid of hard flaccid for 12-24 hours. Then after about a month he built a tolerance and had to up the dose. Then he just stopped taking them because he realized he’s building a tolerance.

    The function of alpha blockers is to relax pelvic floor muscles.. so I can almost bet that if you or I take them right now hard flaccid will be gone for 24 hours. But tylenol seems to have the same effect, on me at least, so I’m just stick with tylenol.

    I say if you wanna have normal sex pop an alpha blocker and see what happens. Don’t take it often though.

    #14761

    Enrique

    Hey Obito,

    Just saw your post on musclechat. Im from NYC to man I live downtown ( Stuyvesant town) . Im currently at school in SUNY Albany but im transferring back home at the end of this year for the last two years of college to better deal with these issues.

    Anyway enough of that. My problems are totally different then yours. Mine are related to hormonal and neurotransmitter imbalances caused by overmasterbation and drug use. So I cant fully understand hard flacid and muscleclencning.

    HOWEVER iv been to 5 urologists in manhattan and none of them have been any good with the exception of one.

    His name is Dr. Paduch and he works at the Cornell medical hospital. All you have to do is google his name and you will get all the information you need.

    When I went to see him he had me do all sorts of crazy weird shit…..I know this is gona sound nuts but he had me jerk off in front of him to porn while he ran ultrasounds and x rays on my pelvic region and what not. Lol I know thats fucking weird and I havnt mentioned it on here before but he was checking my pelvic region and all the pertaining muscles to see how they functioned during arousal and ejaculation. Everything was fine for me since like I said my issues are different but it might be worht your while to check him out if shit dosnt work out with your other doctors.

    He also is a testosterone expert ( but not really in my opinion based on the treatment he offered me) but aside for that he knows his stuff and is open minded ( i mean had me jerk off to porn ) so if you do a good job explainin to him how your clenching he really may totally believe you and take you seriously.

    #14762

    Alfred

    @: wow, thanks for sharing! very interesting case. so, for you, is it that this WAS due to overmasturbation and chemicals – or that it IS due to those things? Basically I’m wondering:

    – How long have you had this?

    – When this kicked in, did you immediately stop overmasturbating completely?

    – Are you still overmasturbating?

    – Are you getting any better, and how?

    I don’t believe I was OVERmasturbating but who knows, maybe it was a little too much for me personally – especially with the stress and meds thrown into the mix? Really wish the doctor didn’t tell me to ejaculate as much as possible when it turns out that I never had an infection. One simple test 2 months ago, instead of a prescription, would have prevented all of this.

    I actually know who Dr. Paduch is. I wanted to see him for something else not long ago but unfortunately their dept doesn’t take my insurance. But I’m willing to pay if it’s helpful.

    What did he determine exactly? What did he say is actually happening the shaft when it’s hard? It is blood? It it void of blood? Is the muscle eternally clenched, eternally unclenched? Anything is helpful.

    This is probably naive but I’d assume that if we’ve whacked our bodies out that simply stopping all the bad activity would allow it to correct itself. I still haven’t heard of a single person who had this happen, then ceased all masturbation etc. Seems like most kept going. And there lots of people who say “Happened to me. Leave it alone for a few weeks and it will go away.” That’s what I’m doing. I don’t even have any desire at all anyway. Perhaps it really can heal if you go 100% hands-off immediately. I do think my hormones at play as well though. The stress I was under was intense, plus the meds and supplements were already screwing with me.

    Keep in touch. I can’t friggin’ believe in Manhattan we can’t find a single doctor whose even heard of this before. That blows my mind. Did Paduch say he’d seen it before?

    #14763

    Trevor

    Iv had this condition for about 15 months now. Im 19 years old and it started happening to me halfway through my first relationship.

    I had always masterbated , usually at a rate of 2-7 times a week depening on my needs from lets say 4th grade to senior year of HS. Senior year of HS i meet my EX and we started going out. I had some initial performance anxiety not to mention was a little desensitized from the years of jerking off to porn so i had some mild ED the first few times we had sex.

    But after several weeks of being together and reducing my masterbation ( was pure luck she satisfied me so I didnt have a need to jerk off) I regained more then satisfactory sexual function.

    For the next 12 months or so everything was great. I rarely ever had ED, was always horny , was very happy, energetic, could work out as much as I pleased and I basically had an awesome senior year. O also very very important. I didnt have the slightest case of Premature ejaculation. I could go foever. I would say I only ejaculated 1 in 5 times and it took a huge effort.

    Now during most of highschool years I drank moderatly and smoked weed moderatly. Prob drank like once every two weeks and smoked like twice a week on average during senior year. In the earlier years of HS I smoked much less more like once a month.

    Anyway fastforward to freshmen year of college and we decide to do the whole long distance thing. I also decide to try exstacy twice, Xanax 3 or 4 times, started smoking almost daily sometimes even twice, and also returned to my old ways of jerking off, except this time even more instead of 2-7 times a week it was more like 1-4 times a day. I was also traning 6 times a week during this time 4 days lifting 2 days cardio.

    That combination of events in the span of 3 to 4 months of freshmen year caused my body to go overboard and totally crash.

    My first symptoms manifested itself as severe premature ejaculation. This obviously caused me to start having ED. After that I gradually started realizing i was really depressed, low energy , trouble recovering after training, inflamatory pains in my back.

    Fast forward a few months and added to that list were eyefloaters and a 2 months long period of very very frequent urination.

    For the first 4 months of these symptoms I had no clue wtf was going on. I thought maybe i was just over excited for sex or some thing. But then after doing some extensive research i found the whole Dr. Lin explanation of overmasterbation and sexual exhaustion realized it matched everything I had perfectly and then I found this forum and realized im not alone.

    My first course of action was to run to all the different doctors in the area and see what they had to say. And basically they all said i was fine and it was in my head. so after a few frustrating months I was like F*ck this its not in my head these assholes are retarted.

    So I made the journey to Dr. Overbeck and Shawn bean in philadelphia. I dono how familiar you are with the whole forum community but Shawn bean posts on all the main forums as Hardasnails1973. He even used to post on me.

    Anyway it was with them that I finally started taking the right steps to regaining my health. We did extensive blood work for hormones as well as neurotransmitters.

    from hormonal blood work I have the following problems

    1) Low to mediocore testosterone

    2) Low DHT

    3) slight adrenal fatigue

    4) hypothyroid due to ok Free t3 but terriblly high Rt3.

    My neurotransmitters all came back terribly low below range thanks to the overmasterbation and drug use.

    So this all looks nice and dandy but to make a long story short I needed “more help ” to figure out my problems.

    So this past december I flew out to california for an apointment with Dr. Mariano who along with Dr. Chrisler are the two best in the buisness when it comes to hormones neurotransmitters etc.

    THe dude is a genious and by taking my temperature, pulse, checking my eyes, skin texture, reflexes, and ofcourse blood work was like you have clearly blown your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive and you all sorts of hormonal issues etc.

    So now its about month 15 or so of this living hell. Iv basically identified all my problem areas . At this point its a matter of creating a protocol to do the following in this order

    1) reverse my slight adrenal fatigue

    2) Fix my thyroid

    3) fix my testosterone

    4) fix my neurotransmitters

    the problem is that for now mariano is taking a kinda of all natural approach with vitamins nutriotional intervetion etc that was a epic fail but thats ok I understand that he wants to i guess take his time especially based on my age. My first phone consultation is actually this thursday so I have a shitload to talk about with him and hopefully we can begin the real healing.

    Now you also asked how has stopping masterbation and porn affected me?

    well lets see the day I found out about this SE shit I stopped both and saved my energy for my GF at the time. Within a few weeks I rarely had ED but still had ALL my other symptoms. Since then we have broken up and iv only hooked up with one girl since so i dont have a girl to “test things ” with anymore.

    However its my opinion that abstainin is only part of the solution. All it does it resenstize your brain ( most likely resenstizes dopamine receptors) to sexual stimulus. So sure it will help you get erections.

    As a matter of fact in janurary and febuary I did another abstainin stint of about 30 days. Similar results, a week or two in you notice its easier to get erections , hornier etc. But if your not gona deal with all the other issues affecting your body its my opinion you will never truly heal. Iv known what its like to experience a year of pretty good ( could have been better had I known everyhting I do now ) sexual function. And just abstaining will not let you regain that and my goal is to get as close I can to what I previously was if not better.

    anyway this past month since the abstain iv been keepin it to like once a week. never watch porn. It dosnt really affect anything.

    However Once im truly on a protocol for healing I plan on doing everything I can to abstain as much as possible.

    Sorry for how crazy long this is lol

    #14764

    Cameron

    Wow, thanks for sharing. Do you, or did you, have “hard flaccid” as well? I’ve never really suffered from ED at all. Once in a while I’d lose excitement when really tired but nothing major.

    #14765

    Alden

    No hard flacid for me thank god . But I have noticed something like this happen.

    When I decide im gona masterbate ill sometimes get heart palpitations and anxiety. this is almost defiently due to the spike in norepinephrine when im faced with a sexual situation. anyway I have noticed that when this happens my dick will often turtle and get hard while soft.

    this only happens sometimes ( usually when i abstain for a long time lmao ) and is about the closest I get to experiencing hard flacid.

    #14766

    Harris

    Frenchiman :

    I think this way because clearly if hormones were to blame there would be much more cases of hard flacid and SE if it were the hormones. People have hormonal imbalances all the time and if you would look into the database you would see many people with the same exact values and you have but no hard-flaccid or SE. No coincidence there buddy.

    And no I don’t have all the answers.. the thing is I stoped looking for explanations in the theory.

    I was a clencher too, Obitoo just admited to that also.. we are all clenchers and certain life circumstances have threw us over the edge into a very exotic ailment. Yes pumping testosterone into your veins can help you feel a bit better but it will not erase the problem that is in your brain and in your pelvic area. But if you would undergo HRT and do the right things to re-learn your buttons you would probably get a speedier recovery. It was insanely fast in my case but it’s probably thanks to all of the previous training I had before.

    #14767

    Eldon

    number 1. I couldn’t find anybody else with a combination of hormonal imbalances just like mine, besides. There are people with thyroid issues, there are people with cortisol issues, people with both thyroid and cortisol.. but I could find nobody with low thyroid, adrenals, AND high E2 at the same time AND high inflammation AND messed up T.

    The only person with the same combination is Chris and he had hard flaccid.

    Next alota people have hard flaccid actually, unfortunately. There’s this forum, medhelp forum, Dr. richard’s and lin’s countless cases, and a bunch of other forums. Yea true a lot of people around the world have adrenal fatigue and don’t have hard flaccid.. but how many of them have low thyroid, super high e2, low T, and inflammation at the same time? not many. And how do we know that those not many all don’t have hard flaccid? Maybe they do. We don’t know. We’ll never know.

    I’m not advocating that hormones are responsible for everything – you could be completely right – i’m just throwing both sides of the picture out there.

    I actually used to clench my PC/BC/whatever muscles down there too when I was younger. Not to the extreme, and I’ve never hard problems with urinating or bowel movements, but I did clench whatever muscles down there while jerking off when I was young to speed up the process, and now I’m assuming that how I developed PE in the first place.

    So its possible that turned into pelvic floor disorder.. but my hormones are still messed up regardless and I gotta balance them either way. Then we’ll see what happens.

    Today my flaccid is not bad at all. Since I jerked off two days in a row its stayed soft and plumb.. go figure :S

    So earlier I was sitting, fully relaxing, doing some improvised yoga, deep breathing.. trying to relax pelvic floor muscles like Tech was saying.. and I could actually feel some muscles down there relaxing. I look and flaccid hang improved by just a small amount. Then I got up, started clenching everything I can down there to see what would happen.. pc, bc, everything.. started walking quickly.. I look and hang is practically unchanged. Actually from flexing my pc muscle I started getting semi hard.. instead of back to hard flaccid which should have happened if I ‘contract things down there’..

    so basically all day today hang is pretty good.. tightening or relaxing those muscles makes a very small difference..

    so this completely against pelvic floor theory.. probably means that I got alota sleep, havent been stressing, was barely moving all day.. so cortisol was better than normally.

    #14768

    Alva

    Theories and theories again yada yada. You say that cortisol is ok without having a proper blood test. That’s borderline crazy.

    Frenchi what counts are the results and not the usual forum babble. Your results Frenchi??? that’s what counts.. the results.

    #14769

    Zane

    Ok you’re gonna have to rephrase that cuz I don’t really get you.

    “without having a proper blood test”?

    – I have done a blood test. and a saliva test. I mentioned it many times in this thread alone. The results show that my cortisol is not ok. Far from ok. Morning cortisol is below range, evening is over the top of the range.

    I was saying that on days when I don’t stress, don’t move much, sleep alot, cortisol probably improves.. and that helps my symptoms. That’s just my guess.

    If by “results” you’re talking about progress and how I feel then I agree. In that sense I haven’t really achieved any results yet. But we’ll see what happens when I improve hormones.

    #14770

    Teddy

    Okay but be on the lookout for the ad hoc fallacy. Good levels of hormones and neurotransmitters can improve every aspect of life and therefore even SE or hard-flaccid. But improve doesn’t mean cure or fix and therefore the “core problem” is somewhere else.

    People spent too much time following wrong paths even though they seemed promising at first.

    #14771

    Damien

    So you had hard flaccid and recovered quickly? That is encouraging, and the only first-hand recovery I’ve heard of. How long did it take, and what was involved? I am seeing a doctor today that I hope can help and would like to have as much useful info as possible. I’m willing to do anything.

    Thank you.

    #14772

    Hershel

    I’m not really sure if I had hard-flaccid. Sometimes it was harder to the touch and sometimes it was nice and plump. I think it’s normal that it hangs differently every now and then. But I definitely had some serious pelvic muscle problems as my ass was tight all the time, buzzing prostate especially when I was sitting, ED from time to time, loss of sensation in penis. By spasming certain pelvic muscles I could even acheive a complete orgasm without any manual stimulation.

    My main problem was that I had was serious health problems after an orgasm. A post orgasmic illness syndrome.

    What made me normal again were normal orgasms. These “normal” orgasms caused relaxation in my pelvic area and suddenly every symptom I had started immediately vanishing even severe brain fog, flight-or-fight mode I was in all the time and certain social phobia. Funny thing is.. I’m the only one to date active on the forums who’s reporting a 100% success.. not just 50-60 or 80.. 100%.

    We’re doing a video on our findings but I’m seeing a complete lack of any serious interest from the sufferers. This is seriously annoying for me and I’m losing any interest of explaining anything. That’s why I want the video finally finished so people who want to try something else will try it and I don’t have to be active and try to persaude people. It’s even free for god sakes.. no tests, no supplements, no hard training. You just have to have patience to reach a certain breaking point after which the pelvic area function restarts normally again. If you don’t reach that breaking point you can have some success but if you try again it’ll be harder and harder and you’ll be failing all the time.

    It really reminds me the way that people with traumatic masturbation syndrome have to fix it (www.healthystrokes.com). If they just try to masturbate the normal way they won’t be able to do it. They have to wait two weeks (depends on the case) without any sexual actvities and after that the body has reset it’s learning process enough so they can achieve the orgasm in a more normal way (it takes a few long attempts normally). The body learns the new process and makes it the primary one. When you get used to one masturbation technique you immediately forget the older ones and it’s harder with them to achieve an orgasm.

    Same with people why try TENS (electric stimulation) on their penis to achieve an orgasm. They ussualy have to abstain for a while to learn to orgasm with it.

    In our cases it’s different that it’s not the masturbation technique but the reflexes which cause clenching the pelvic area. They need to be erased and you should actually feel relaxation in the pelvic area to achieve a normal orgasm. Your autonomous reflexes will trigger the orgasm when it’s the right time so there will be no need for extra “pressure” you have been causing consciously. It’s the arousal alone that should be manipulating alot of functions and for that you also need normal arousal (no pr0n).

    Before I even needed the “pressure/flexing” downthere to have an erection. Not anymore… it pretty much happens very autonomously.

    If your hard flaccid and other problems go away if you abstain from masturbation or sex then I guess you might start thinking what i’m trying to say here.

    but people rather not listen or bother…

    I guess people fear something… and it’s seriously annoying!

    #14773

    Mario

    Interesting, thanks for sharing. I’m open to anything. This whole thing has been so damn weird I now realize that anything is possible.

    Right now I mainly want to ensure with doctors that:

    – tissue damage isn’t occurring, and won’t.

    – nerve damage isn’t present. the action that would normally keep urine from dribbling has seemed to fail. i’m not full on peeing my pants, but i’m dripping now and then. that worries me. i also can’t move my BC muscles any more. my mind is telling them to move, but they just don’t. it’s a scary feeling.

    – communication between brain and penis isn’t destroyed. i am concerned that if this feeling of “disconnection” persists long enough that it will rewire it to be permanent.

    At this point I’m not sure if I’ve got a physical injury or an emotional one, or a combo of both. I have a hard time believing I injured my dick by masturbating twice in one day. I remember when I was in high school I could do it 5 times a day. It just seems like the pinnacle of a long period of emotional and physical stress – probably made worse by medication and supplements. The fact that it’s happened to many others under similar circumstances is telling, and should make it easier to figure out and deal with. I am not keen on taking drugs or hormones but if that’s the only way to balance things then I am willing.

    I want to ask again: Has anyone with hard flaccid taken Levaquin? If so, did you have a reaction to it?

    My “brain fog” all started when I took Levaquin 2 months ago. Lately I am in that same state of panic and fog. Anyway, I would like to rule out Levaquin as a possible cause of hard flaccid as well. It does have CNS and tissue side effects, but hard flaccid is pretty damn specific so unless we ALL took it then I’d rule it out pretty quickly. Just curious.

    PS: I think it’s important that you publish your findings and get your video out! I will be putting together a website for hard-flaccid for the same purposes. I am hoping with the help of some doctors (neurologists and psychologists included) we can pinpoint it and give it a name.

    #14774

    Conrad

    There is nothing hormonal about pelvic floor tension, it’s a purely habitual phenomenon that simply needs to be unlearned. This is done with simple body-awareness. Yoga provides postures and breathing exercises to aid the process of opening the pelvis. Your breathing, posture & pelvic movements are interlinked. The prostate is supposed to receive internal stimulation from the breathing movement of diaphragm, this will awaken healthy, natural sexual feelings. Just like you were a kid. If your pelvis is constricted, your prostate will not get this internal stimulation and your sexuality will suffer.

    #14775

    Alphonso

    I’m all for yoga and meditation, don’t get me wrong. But the fact is I went to bed with my normal penis and woke up with someone else’s. Even with all of my pelvic tension issues, something major happened very quickly.

    #14776

    Donte

    Even if it seems quick, diseases develop for years under the surface before manifesting like that. Don’t wait the reversal to be quick. It’s the same logic. You need to heal “under the surface” for a long time until it is health’s turn to be manifested.

    #14777

    Bertram

    Hope you guys are right..

    but then Nicolas do you have an explanation for every one of the hormones I tested being out of balance?

    just a coincidence or what?

    one day I’m perfectly healthy, next day I wake up with pelvic floor disorder.. and coincidentally my thyroid is low, adrenals low, estradiol high?

    F*ck knows.. maybe I’m a special case that has messed up hormones in addition to pelvic floor disorder. I wouldn’t be surprised with my luck..

    POIS looking forward to your video.

    nobody here fears anything.. its not like we got something to lose..

    #14778

    Brandon

    I’d much prefer it be a fixable pelvic floor problem over any of the many other awful things I am imagining.

    But doesn’t it seem odd that 99.9% of the people who have reported to have this are on penis enhancement forums? Lots of men in the world have pelvic floor problems far worse than mine and don’t just wake up with a hard flaccid penis one day. Almost everyone got it from jelqing their penis, rough sex or masturbation. Regular masturbation doesn’t do this, so is it safe to assume it was probably overly agressive masturbation as well? I wouldn’t say mine way, but maybe because I did it twice in one night? No idea.

    I’d find it really coincidental that every single person who has this happens to practice penis enlargement AND have pelvic floor problems, AND have hormone issues.

    There’s got to be more than a few very healthy (mentally and physically) guys who do penis enlargement and have had this happen to them. And isn’t jelqing not a sexual thing at all anyway? Isn’t it a flaccid stretching? So that kind of rules out the sexual exhaustion adrenal lock theory. If they were all having an orgasm every time then I’d buy that, but it doesn’t appear to be the case.

    I think this is an injury to the penis, and the hormone damage is from extended periods of time of depression and anxiety that come from having a broken penis with no cure.

    I can feel blood building up pressure and gurgling all around in my groin all day long. This has to be a blood issue. I’ve been taking Magnesium all day to try and help get my stress hormone levels down, and I have seen some improvements in my sack. It’s not dragging on the floor any more. But the penis is unimproved. In fact, it seems worse than yesterday.

    Was feeling optimistic but now am feeling lost once again.

    #14779

    Chet

    OK, how’s this sound?

    Nerve Stretch Injury!

    ==========================================

    The pelvic floor is a hammock of muscles which supports the bladder, intestines and (in women) the uterus and vagina.

    ==========================================

    In the sitting position, the colon is not properly prepared for waste evacuation. It is in the continence mode.

    On a conventional (sitting) toilet, a person is forced to strain, while holding the breath, and pushing downwards with the diaphragm, in order to evacuate. This action is called the Valsalva Maneuver.

    In the sitting position, the pelvic floor is also unsupported by the thighs. As a result, each time one strains on the sitting toilet, it is repeatedly forced downwards.

    The pelvic floor is simply not designed to cope with this sort of stress and abuse. Each time it is depressed, the pudendal nerve which runs through the pelvic floor is stretched at the same time.

    Nerves are not elastic, and studies have shown that a 12% stretch destroys a nerve. This goes for the pudendal nerve, which cannot be stretched very far without being damaged.

    It doesn’t happen right away. But slowly but surely, as the pelvic floor sags lower and lower, there comes a day when the tipping point will occur.

    The pudendal nerve is stretched beyond its capacity, and can no longer transmit brain signals to and from the prostate and other pelvic organs properly.

    This could potentially explain why either jelqing or clenching could cause the exact same injury. Nerve stretch. Not sure about you guys but that’s exactly what it feels like to me. My brain is telling my BC muscle to contract but it just won’t. Might also explain why we’re ok when lying down. The nerve isn’t being pressed down upon by the failed pelvic floor above. I think in this case that doing pelvic floor stretches might actually be detrimental. Might want to do strengthening instead. Will ask my PT and post any findings!

    #14780

    Clifford

    That is the typical female case (loose pelvic floor) but the typical male case is the opposite (tight pelvic floor). That is why Kegels are originally prescribed to women, to tightnen the area… For men with sexual problems Kegels might worsen the situation so be careful with strengthening. Most men need loosening in the first place.

    #14781

    Delmar

    Can you do a normal kegel? That means BC + PC + probably IC.

    Anyway.. what about leg stretching during the masturbation to bring about the orgasm faster (this is mentioned in our video so far). Does it ring a bell for anyone? It sure does in my case as I was also a heavy “stretcher”

    #14782

    Ernesto

    @: wow, thanks for sharing! very interesting case. so, for you, is it that this WAS due to overmasturbation and chemicals – or that it IS due to those things? Basically I’m wondering:

    – How long have you had this?

    – When this kicked in, did you immediately stop overmasturbating completely?

    – Are you still overmasturbating?

    – Are you getting any better, and how?

    I don’t believe I was OVERmasturbating but who knows, maybe it was a little too much for me personally – especially with the stress and meds thrown into the mix? Really wish the doctor didn’t tell me to ejaculate as much as possible when it turns out that I never had an infection. One simple test 2 months ago, instead of a prescription, would have prevented all of this.

    I actually know who Dr. Paduch is. I wanted to see him for something else not long ago but unfortunately their dept doesn’t take my insurance. But I’m willing to pay if it’s helpful.

    What did he determine exactly? What did he say is actually happening the shaft when it’s hard? It is blood? It it void of blood? Is the muscle eternally clenched, eternally unclenched? Anything is helpful.

    This is probably naive but I’d assume that if we’ve whacked our bodies out that simply stopping all the bad activity would allow it to correct itself. I still haven’t heard of a single person who had this happen, then ceased all masturbation etc. Seems like most kept going. And there lots of people who say “Happened to me. Leave it alone for a few weeks and it will go away.” That’s what I’m doing. I don’t even have any desire at all anyway. Perhaps it really can heal if you go 100% hands-off immediately. I do think my hormones at play as well though. The stress I was under was intense, plus the meds and supplements were already screwing with me.

    Keep in touch. I can’t friggin’ believe in Manhattan we can’t find a single doctor whose even heard of this before. That blows my mind. Did Paduch say he’d seen it before?

    #14783

    Coleman

    Iv had this condition for about 15 months now. Im 19 years old and it started happening to me halfway through my first relationship.

    I had always masterbated , usually at a rate of 2-7 times a week depening on my needs from lets say 4th grade to senior year of HS. Senior year of HS i meet my EX and we started going out. I had some initial performance anxiety not to mention was a little desensitized from the years of jerking off to porn so i had some mild ED the first few times we had sex.

    But after several weeks of being together and reducing my masterbation ( was pure luck she satisfied me so I didnt have a need to jerk off) I regained more then satisfactory sexual function.

    For the next 12 months or so everything was great. I rarely ever had ED, was always horny , was very happy, energetic, could work out as much as I pleased and I basically had an awesome senior year. O also very very important. I didnt have the slightest case of Premature ejaculation. I could go foever. I would say I only ejaculated 1 in 5 times and it took a huge effort.

    Now during most of highschool years I drank moderatly and smoked weed moderatly. Prob drank like once every two weeks and smoked like twice a week on average during senior year. In the earlier years of HS I smoked much less more like once a month.

    Anyway fastforward to freshmen year of college and we decide to do the whole long distance thing. I also decide to try exstacy twice, Xanax 3 or 4 times, started smoking almost daily sometimes even twice, and also returned to my old ways of jerking off, except this time even more instead of 2-7 times a week it was more like 1-4 times a day. I was also traning 6 times a week during this time 4 days lifting 2 days cardio.

    That combination of events in the span of 3 to 4 months of freshmen year caused my body to go overboard and totally crash.

    My first symptoms manifested itself as severe premature ejaculation. This obviously caused me to start having ED. After that I gradually started realizing i was really depressed, low energy , trouble recovering after training, inflamatory pains in my back.

    Fast forward a few months and added to that list were eyefloaters and a 2 months long period of very very frequent urination.

    For the first 4 months of these symptoms I had no clue wtf was going on. I thought maybe i was just over excited for sex or some thing. But then after doing some extensive research i found the whole Dr. Lin explanation of overmasterbation and sexual exhaustion realized it matched everything I had perfectly and then I found this forum and realized im not alone.

    My first course of action was to run to all the different doctors in the area and see what they had to say. And basically they all said i was fine and it was in my head. so after a few frustrating months I was like F*ck this its not in my head these assholes are retarted.

    So I made the journey to Dr. Overbeck and Shawn bean in philadelphia. I dono how familiar you are with the whole forum community but Shawn bean posts on all the main forums as Hardasnails1973. He even used to post on me.

    Anyway it was with them that I finally started taking the right steps to regaining my health. We did extensive blood work for hormones as well as neurotransmitters.

    from hormonal blood work I have the following problems

    1) Low to mediocore testosterone

    2) Low DHT

    3) slight adrenal fatigue

    4) hypothyroid due to ok Free t3 but terriblly high Rt3.

    My neurotransmitters all came back terribly low below range thanks to the overmasterbation and drug use.

    So this all looks nice and dandy but to make a long story short I needed “more help ” to figure out my problems.

    So this past december I flew out to california for an apointment with Dr. Mariano who along with Dr. Chrisler are the two best in the buisness when it comes to hormones neurotransmitters etc.

    THe dude is a genious and by taking my temperature, pulse, checking my eyes, skin texture, reflexes, and ofcourse blood work was like you have clearly blown your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive and you all sorts of hormonal issues etc.

    So now its about month 15 or so of this living hell. Iv basically identified all my problem areas . At this point its a matter of creating a protocol to do the following in this order

    1) reverse my slight adrenal fatigue

    2) Fix my thyroid

    3) fix my testosterone

    4) fix my neurotransmitters

    the problem is that for now mariano is taking a kinda of all natural approach with vitamins nutriotional intervetion etc that was a epic fail but thats ok I understand that he wants to i guess take his time especially based on my age. My first phone consultation is actually this thursday so I have a shitload to talk about with him and hopefully we can begin the real healing.

    Now you also asked how has stopping masterbation and porn affected me?

    well lets see the day I found out about this SE shit I stopped both and saved my energy for my GF at the time. Within a few weeks I rarely had ED but still had ALL my other symptoms. Since then we have broken up and iv only hooked up with one girl since so i dont have a girl to “test things ” with anymore.

    However its my opinion that abstainin is only part of the solution. All it does it resenstize your brain ( most likely resenstizes dopamine receptors) to sexual stimulus. So sure it will help you get erections.

    As a matter of fact in janurary and febuary I did another abstainin stint of about 30 days. Similar results, a week or two in you notice its easier to get erections , hornier etc. But if your not gona deal with all the other issues affecting your body its my opinion you will never truly heal. Iv known what its like to experience a year of pretty good ( could have been better had I known everyhting I do now ) sexual function. And just abstaining will not let you regain that and my goal is to get as close I can to what I previously was if not better.

    anyway this past month since the abstain iv been keepin it to like once a week. never watch porn. It dosnt really affect anything.

    However Once im truly on a protocol for healing I plan on doing everything I can to abstain as much as possible.

    Sorry for how crazy long this is lol

    #14784

    Bryan

    Wow, thanks for sharing. Do you, or did you, have “hard flaccid” as well? I’ve never really suffered from ED at all. Once in a while I’d lose excitement when really tired but nothing major.

    #14785

    Brian

    No hard flacid for me thank god . But I have noticed something like this happen.

    When I decide im gona masterbate ill sometimes get heart palpitations and anxiety. this is almost defiently due to the spike in norepinephrine when im faced with a sexual situation. anyway I have noticed that when this happens my dick will often turtle and get hard while soft.

    this only happens sometimes ( usually when i abstain for a long time lmao ) and is about the closest I get to experiencing hard flacid.

    #14786

    Hipolito

    Frenchiman :

    I think this way because clearly if hormones were to blame there would be much more cases of hard flacid and SE if it were the hormones. People have hormonal imbalances all the time and if you would look into the database you would see many people with the same exact values and you have but no hard-flaccid or SE. No coincidence there buddy.

    And no I don’t have all the answers.. the thing is I stoped looking for explanations in the theory.

    I was a clencher too, Obitoo just admited to that also.. we are all clenchers and certain life circumstances have threw us over the edge into a very exotic ailment. Yes pumping testosterone into your veins can help you feel a bit better but it will not erase the problem that is in your brain and in your pelvic area. But if you would undergo HRT and do the right things to re-learn your buttons you would probably get a speedier recovery. It was insanely fast in my case but it’s probably thanks to all of the previous training I had before.

    #14787

    Dwight

    number 1. I couldn’t find anybody else with a combination of hormonal imbalances just like mine, besides. There are people with thyroid issues, there are people with cortisol issues, people with both thyroid and cortisol.. but I could find nobody with low thyroid, adrenals, AND high E2 at the same time AND high inflammation AND messed up T.

    The only person with the same combination is Chris and he had hard flaccid.

    Next alota people have hard flaccid actually, unfortunately. There’s this forum, medhelp forum, Dr. richard’s and lin’s countless cases, and a bunch of other forums. Yea true a lot of people around the world have adrenal fatigue and don’t have hard flaccid.. but how many of them have low thyroid, super high e2, low T, and inflammation at the same time? not many. And how do we know that those not many all don’t have hard flaccid? Maybe they do. We don’t know. We’ll never know.

    I’m not advocating that hormones are responsible for everything – you could be completely right – i’m just throwing both sides of the picture out there.

    I actually used to clench my PC/BC/whatever muscles down there too when I was younger. Not to the extreme, and I’ve never hard problems with urinating or bowel movements, but I did clench whatever muscles down there while jerking off when I was young to speed up the process, and now I’m assuming that how I developed PE in the first place.

    So its possible that turned into pelvic floor disorder.. but my hormones are still messed up regardless and I gotta balance them either way. Then we’ll see what happens.

    Today my flaccid is not bad at all. Since I jerked off two days in a row its stayed soft and plumb.. go figure :S

    So earlier I was sitting, fully relaxing, doing some improvised yoga, deep breathing.. trying to relax pelvic floor muscles like Tech was saying.. and I could actually feel some muscles down there relaxing. I look and flaccid hang improved by just a small amount. Then I got up, started clenching everything I can down there to see what would happen.. pc, bc, everything.. started walking quickly.. I look and hang is practically unchanged. Actually from flexing my pc muscle I started getting semi hard.. instead of back to hard flaccid which should have happened if I ‘contract things down there’..

    so basically all day today hang is pretty good.. tightening or relaxing those muscles makes a very small difference..

    so this completely against pelvic floor theory.. probably means that I got alota sleep, havent been stressing, was barely moving all day.. so cortisol was better than normally.

    #14788

    Deshawn

    Theories and theories again yada yada. You say that cortisol is ok without having a proper blood test. That’s borderline crazy.

    Frenchi what counts are the results and not the usual forum babble. Your results Frenchi??? that’s what counts.. the results.

    #14789

    Lester

    Ok you’re gonna have to rephrase that cuz I don’t really get you.

    “without having a proper blood test”?

    – I have done a blood test. and a saliva test. I mentioned it many times in this thread alone. The results show that my cortisol is not ok. Far from ok. Morning cortisol is below range, evening is over the top of the range.

    I was saying that on days when I don’t stress, don’t move much, sleep alot, cortisol probably improves.. and that helps my symptoms. That’s just my guess.

    If by “results” you’re talking about progress and how I feel then I agree. In that sense I haven’t really achieved any results yet. But we’ll see what happens when I improve hormones.

    #14790

    Edmond

    Okay but be on the lookout for the ad hoc fallacy. Good levels of hormones and neurotransmitters can improve every aspect of life and therefore even SE or hard-flaccid. But improve doesn’t mean cure or fix and therefore the “core problem” is somewhere else.

    People spent too much time following wrong paths even though they seemed promising at first.

    #14791

    Alfonso

    So you had hard flaccid and recovered quickly? That is encouraging, and the only first-hand recovery I’ve heard of. How long did it take, and what was involved? I am seeing a doctor today that I hope can help and would like to have as much useful info as possible. I’m willing to do anything.

    Thank you.

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