A Fresh Case of Hard Flaccid…

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  • #14792

    Milo

    I’m not really sure if I had hard-flaccid. Sometimes it was harder to the touch and sometimes it was nice and plump. I think it’s normal that it hangs differently every now and then. But I definitely had some serious pelvic muscle problems as my ass was tight all the time, buzzing prostate especially when I was sitting, ED from time to time, loss of sensation in penis. By spasming certain pelvic muscles I could even acheive a complete orgasm without any manual stimulation.

    My main problem was that I had was serious health problems after an orgasm. A post orgasmic illness syndrome.

    What made me normal again were normal orgasms. These “normal” orgasms caused relaxation in my pelvic area and suddenly every symptom I had started immediately vanishing even severe brain fog, flight-or-fight mode I was in all the time and certain social phobia. Funny thing is.. I’m the only one to date active on the forums who’s reporting a 100% success.. not just 50-60 or 80.. 100%.

    We’re doing a video on our findings but I’m seeing a complete lack of any serious interest from the sufferers. This is seriously annoying for me and I’m losing any interest of explaining anything. That’s why I want the video finally finished so people who want to try something else will try it and I don’t have to be active and try to persaude people. It’s even free for god sakes.. no tests, no supplements, no hard training. You just have to have patience to reach a certain breaking point after which the pelvic area function restarts normally again. If you don’t reach that breaking point you can have some success but if you try again it’ll be harder and harder and you’ll be failing all the time.

    It really reminds me the way that people with traumatic masturbation syndrome have to fix it (www.healthystrokes.com). If they just try to masturbate the normal way they won’t be able to do it. They have to wait two weeks (depends on the case) without any sexual actvities and after that the body has reset it’s learning process enough so they can achieve the orgasm in a more normal way (it takes a few long attempts normally). The body learns the new process and makes it the primary one. When you get used to one masturbation technique you immediately forget the older ones and it’s harder with them to achieve an orgasm.

    Same with people why try TENS (electric stimulation) on their penis to achieve an orgasm. They ussualy have to abstain for a while to learn to orgasm with it.

    In our cases it’s different that it’s not the masturbation technique but the reflexes which cause clenching the pelvic area. They need to be erased and you should actually feel relaxation in the pelvic area to achieve a normal orgasm. Your autonomous reflexes will trigger the orgasm when it’s the right time so there will be no need for extra “pressure” you have been causing consciously. It’s the arousal alone that should be manipulating alot of functions and for that you also need normal arousal (no pr0n).

    Before I even needed the “pressure/flexing” downthere to have an erection. Not anymore… it pretty much happens very autonomously.

    If your hard flaccid and other problems go away if you abstain from masturbation or sex then I guess you might start thinking what i’m trying to say here.

    but people rather not listen or bother…

    I guess people fear something… and it’s seriously annoying!

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    #14793

    Romeo

    Interesting, thanks for sharing. I’m open to anything. This whole thing has been so damn weird I now realize that anything is possible.

    Right now I mainly want to ensure with doctors that:

    – tissue damage isn’t occurring, and won’t.

    – nerve damage isn’t present. the action that would normally keep urine from dribbling has seemed to fail. i’m not full on peeing my pants, but i’m dripping now and then. that worries me. i also can’t move my BC muscles any more. my mind is telling them to move, but they just don’t. it’s a scary feeling.

    – communication between brain and penis isn’t destroyed. i am concerned that if this feeling of “disconnection” persists long enough that it will rewire it to be permanent.

    At this point I’m not sure if I’ve got a physical injury or an emotional one, or a combo of both. I have a hard time believing I injured my dick by masturbating twice in one day. I remember when I was in high school I could do it 5 times a day. It just seems like the pinnacle of a long period of emotional and physical stress – probably made worse by medication and supplements. The fact that it’s happened to many others under similar circumstances is telling, and should make it easier to figure out and deal with. I am not keen on taking drugs or hormones but if that’s the only way to balance things then I am willing.

    I want to ask again: Has anyone with hard flaccid taken Levaquin? If so, did you have a reaction to it?

    My “brain fog” all started when I took Levaquin 2 months ago. Lately I am in that same state of panic and fog. Anyway, I would like to rule out Levaquin as a possible cause of hard flaccid as well. It does have CNS and tissue side effects, but hard flaccid is pretty damn specific so unless we ALL took it then I’d rule it out pretty quickly. Just curious.

    PS: I think it’s important that you publish your findings and get your video out! I will be putting together a website for hard-flaccid for the same purposes. I am hoping with the help of some doctors (neurologists and psychologists included) we can pinpoint it and give it a name.

    #14794

    Frances

    There is nothing hormonal about pelvic floor tension, it’s a purely habitual phenomenon that simply needs to be unlearned. This is done with simple body-awareness. Yoga provides postures and breathing exercises to aid the process of opening the pelvis. Your breathing, posture & pelvic movements are interlinked. The prostate is supposed to receive internal stimulation from the breathing movement of diaphragm, this will awaken healthy, natural sexual feelings. Just like you were a kid. If your pelvis is constricted, your prostate will not get this internal stimulation and your sexuality will suffer.

    #14795

    Julius

    I’m all for yoga and meditation, don’t get me wrong. But the fact is I went to bed with my normal penis and woke up with someone else’s. Even with all of my pelvic tension issues, something major happened very quickly.

    #14796

    Albert

    Even if it seems quick, diseases develop for years under the surface before manifesting like that. Don’t wait the reversal to be quick. It’s the same logic. You need to heal “under the surface” for a long time until it is health’s turn to be manifested.

    #14797

    Pierre

    Hope you guys are right..

    but then Nicolas do you have an explanation for every one of the hormones I tested being out of balance?

    just a coincidence or what?

    one day I’m perfectly healthy, next day I wake up with pelvic floor disorder.. and coincidentally my thyroid is low, adrenals low, estradiol high?

    F*ck knows.. maybe I’m a special case that has messed up hormones in addition to pelvic floor disorder. I wouldn’t be surprised with my luck..

    POIS looking forward to your video.

    nobody here fears anything.. its not like we got something to lose..

    #14798

    Kenny

    I’d much prefer it be a fixable pelvic floor problem over any of the many other awful things I am imagining.

    But doesn’t it seem odd that 99.9% of the people who have reported to have this are on penis enhancement forums? Lots of men in the world have pelvic floor problems far worse than mine and don’t just wake up with a hard flaccid penis one day. Almost everyone got it from jelqing their penis, rough sex or masturbation. Regular masturbation doesn’t do this, so is it safe to assume it was probably overly agressive masturbation as well? I wouldn’t say mine way, but maybe because I did it twice in one night? No idea.

    I’d find it really coincidental that every single person who has this happens to practice penis enlargement AND have pelvic floor problems, AND have hormone issues.

    There’s got to be more than a few very healthy (mentally and physically) guys who do penis enlargement and have had this happen to them. And isn’t jelqing not a sexual thing at all anyway? Isn’t it a flaccid stretching? So that kind of rules out the sexual exhaustion adrenal lock theory. If they were all having an orgasm every time then I’d buy that, but it doesn’t appear to be the case.

    I think this is an injury to the penis, and the hormone damage is from extended periods of time of depression and anxiety that come from having a broken penis with no cure.

    I can feel blood building up pressure and gurgling all around in my groin all day long. This has to be a blood issue. I’ve been taking Magnesium all day to try and help get my stress hormone levels down, and I have seen some improvements in my sack. It’s not dragging on the floor any more. But the penis is unimproved. In fact, it seems worse than yesterday.

    Was feeling optimistic but now am feeling lost once again.

    #14799

    Renato

    OK, how’s this sound?

    Nerve Stretch Injury!

    ==========================================

    The pelvic floor is a hammock of muscles which supports the bladder, intestines and (in women) the uterus and vagina.

    ==========================================

    In the sitting position, the colon is not properly prepared for waste evacuation. It is in the continence mode.

    On a conventional (sitting) toilet, a person is forced to strain, while holding the breath, and pushing downwards with the diaphragm, in order to evacuate. This action is called the Valsalva Maneuver.

    In the sitting position, the pelvic floor is also unsupported by the thighs. As a result, each time one strains on the sitting toilet, it is repeatedly forced downwards.

    The pelvic floor is simply not designed to cope with this sort of stress and abuse. Each time it is depressed, the pudendal nerve which runs through the pelvic floor is stretched at the same time.

    Nerves are not elastic, and studies have shown that a 12% stretch destroys a nerve. This goes for the pudendal nerve, which cannot be stretched very far without being damaged.

    It doesn’t happen right away. But slowly but surely, as the pelvic floor sags lower and lower, there comes a day when the tipping point will occur.

    The pudendal nerve is stretched beyond its capacity, and can no longer transmit brain signals to and from the prostate and other pelvic organs properly.

    This could potentially explain why either jelqing or clenching could cause the exact same injury. Nerve stretch. Not sure about you guys but that’s exactly what it feels like to me. My brain is telling my BC muscle to contract but it just won’t. Might also explain why we’re ok when lying down. The nerve isn’t being pressed down upon by the failed pelvic floor above. I think in this case that doing pelvic floor stretches might actually be detrimental. Might want to do strengthening instead. Will ask my PT and post any findings!

    #14800

    Toney

    That is the typical female case (loose pelvic floor) but the typical male case is the opposite (tight pelvic floor). That is why Kegels are originally prescribed to women, to tightnen the area… For men with sexual problems Kegels might worsen the situation so be careful with strengthening. Most men need loosening in the first place.

    #14801

    Elvis

    Can you do a normal kegel? That means BC + PC + probably IC.

    Anyway.. what about leg stretching during the masturbation to bring about the orgasm faster (this is mentioned in our video so far). Does it ring a bell for anyone? It sure does in my case as I was also a heavy “stretcher”

    #14802

    Brent

    , you keep saying that you’re fully healed and it has nothing to do with hormones or anything. That your brain has to repair itself and then you started talking about some kind of pelvic exercise? Not following well there.

    What’s your solutions. Clarify and explain please.

    #14803

    Darwin

    the concept POIS dosnt seem to be getting is that there are all sorts of people on this forum with 50 diffrent versions of SE or sexual related problems.

    Its totally possible that in his case all he had was fucked up pelvic muscles or whatever that caused his problems and by doing whatever it was he did he was able to reach a satisfactory level of sexual funciton.

    But if thats the case then he is without a doubt in the minority on this forum.

    If you have eyefloaters, depresion, mood swings, anxiety, premature ejacuaiton, precum leakage, fatigue, then you have a biochemical reason for your problems. fixing your pelvic floor will do absoltly nothing for that. at the best minimal effects.

    It is possible that you can have both biochemical and pelvic floor dysfunction. Its possibly frenchi has this. either way in this case your job is to fix the most important problem the biochemical reasons in the hopes it helps your body resolve its issues. If not then you can do secondary therapies to resolve it. Its all very individual.

    I literally know for fact that I have nothing wrong with my pelvic floor. I actually had it checked by urologist by pure luck not to mention I dont have any of the symptoms the people in this thread describe.

    So by POIS saying shit like peopel are afraid to accept this and do this blah blah blah hes just saying how ridicolously ignorant he is.

    #14804

    Shane

    I say that the hormone imbalances come after the core problems.

    Pelvic excercise? Are excercises which try to shut off unconscious clenching called pelvic excercises? Is relaxing a certain part really an excercise? Isn’t it an anti-excercise actually? See where I’m getting?

    To clarify. I’ve got rid of my problems through 1. learning to get aroused the old way 2. learn to feel your pelvic regions 3. learn certain very easy relaxing procedures (like when you pee you remember the feeling of you “letting the pee” flow out and doing that throughout the day.. if you do it right it tremendously almost the whole pelvic area.. sort of like reverse kegel but not pushing.. just relaxing” 4. learn proper orgasming method

    therefore the video is in the making.. but it will not give you explanation since the science is not complete on this and it’ll take a while to explain the main interactions that happen

    #14805

    Jamal

    If a depression causes hormonal imbalances which cause certain symptoms, will solving the hormonal imbalances solve the depression??

    If an orgasm causes “a temporary decrease in the metabolic activity of large parts of the cerebral cortex with normal or increased metabolic activity in the limbic areas of the brain” + prolactin secretion (spike in the prolactin levels) + testosterone changes does it mean you have “hormonal imbalances” ???

    If an certain person’s brain process causes nervous clenching which overtime totally corrupted the autonomous procedures happening during sexual activity and triggers an abnormal orgasm which triggers abnormal brain activity, abnormal hormonal levels and even more clenching will not having the nervous clenching solve the problems?

    See my way of thinking?? This kind of thinking was secondary in my case.. first I had the results, then I started thinking why I do have these results.

    #14806

    Aubrey

    That’s a good one, my friend.

    #14807

    Britt

    , for me laying down doesn’t change anything.

    Last night I got really high, which improved flaccid hang pretty quickly.. then I took 2 tylenols later on. Within half an hour hang/tension/everything was nearly perfect. I tried to consciously feel out pelvic floor muscles while I got control over them but couldn’t tell the difference in tension between then and before. Jerked off later.. after I busted THEN I could feel the pelvic floor muscles tighten up again.

    So again impossible to tell if weed + tylenol only affected pelvic floor or also tweaked around hormones.

    Today practically no brain fog. If Tylenol wasn’t that bad for liver I’d be on it everyday.

    #14808

    Josh

    forgot to add that everyone with hard flaccid should try tylenol + mary j + deep breathing and whatever you want to add and see what happens. It should release pelvic floor muscles for sure.

    “there are all sorts of people on this forum with 50 diffrent versions of SE or sexual related problems. ”

    Yea exactly.

    I never used to clench anything while urinating. Never had arousal problems and still don’t. I get all the symptoms POIS is describing but don’t really experience them.. so maybe I have an entirely different condition.

    #14809

    Joan

    If a depression causes hormonal imbalances which cause certain symptoms, will solving the hormonal imbalances solve the depression??

    If an orgasm causes “a temporary decrease in the metabolic activity of large parts of the cerebral cortex with normal or increased metabolic activity in the limbic areas of the brain” + prolactin secretion (spike in the prolactin levels) + testosterone changes does it mean you have “hormonal imbalances” ???

    If an certain person’s brain process causes nervous clenching which overtime totally corrupted the autonomous procedures happening during sexual activity and triggers an abnormal orgasm which triggers abnormal brain activity, abnormal hormonal levels and even more clenching will not having the nervous clenching solve the problems?

    See my way of thinking?? This kind of thinking was secondary in my case.. first I had the results, then I started thinking why I do have these results.

    My depresion isnt even neccasrily caused by my hormonal though they play a small part.

    My mild depresion, mood swings , ADD are a a result of my terri ble neurotransmitters which i have checked twice and both times every single neuro meausured came back well below range.

    I did not get fried neuros from clenching during masterbation, shitting, or peeing.

    I got it from overmasterbation and drug use.

    In order for ME to have any chance to fix my autonomic nervous system which is core problem for the vast majority of the people on this forum.

    I need to have optimal hormonal levels and then optimal neurotransmitters levels. I could practice everything you and could mention and it would do very little for me.

    Its totally possible that your case wasnt as severe as mine. It is indeed possible that all you had was a learned habit of clenching that you had to unlearn by the therapies you mention.

    Its just foolish of you to offer your solution to this problem because if indeed your problem only consisted of clenching then you indeed make up a very small majority of the people on this forum.

    the vast majority of the people on this forum come with severe biochemical imbalances that need to be dealt with.

    If that dosnt resolve there problems fully then sure they sould by all means try all secondary therapies to improve their function. I sure plan on doing it once I get to that point.

    Also I have plenty of results that have completly convinced me that I first and foremost need to deal with my biochemical issues. Iv meantioned them a ridicolous amount of times but whatever dosnt matter. Your gona do you and im gona do me.

    Good luck. Looking forward to your video.

    #14810

    Reinaldo

    Time will tell. It will obviously take years before people realize they all have the same exact problem – clenching orgasms – which probably totally disrupt the brain’s normal functioning and in the end create imbalances and a myriad of other troubling symptoms.

    My work is done here.

    #14811

    Marcellus

    I’m on board with this. How many times can your penis prank call your CNS before the CNS just stops picking up the phone?

    Maybe “clenching” is the wrong word. I think clenching is the eternal, multi-layer-deep rats nets of muscles that are all intertwined 24/7 that I don’t even feel any more. I think the ejaculation misfire is more of a “flex”.

    And I’ve probably got my fair share of problems greater than clenching anyway. Just got back from the endo’s office. They me a script for blood work and a psychiatrist. I won’t deny, I could use some serious unraveling but I’m not taking any more drugs until I know my current test results. Don’t want to add more logs on this fire. Now I need to go decompress. Went to the ER this morning because I lost functionality of my BC muscles. Today sucked pretty hard.

    #14812

    Jamey

    I don’t know if this method will work, don’t seem to apply to me. Some people can’t even have orgasms anymore and some people’s systems are so weak that it takes over two months of no sexual activities before they see their body start to recharge a little. After sexual activity without an orgasm, the body becomes weaker. The original sexual exhaustion theory is more accurate.

    #14813

    Clay

    Time will tell. It will obviously take years before people realize they all have the same exact problem – clenching orgasms – which probably totally disrupt the brain’s normal functioning and in the end create imbalances and a myriad of other troubling symptoms.

    My work is done here.

    Im sorry but that is actually HILARIOUS

    #14814

    Preston

    If your problems go away after abstination (1,2 or even 3 weeks) you know your system is strong enough. If your problems are restarted by an orgasm you know there is something with the trigger mechanism. Maybe one day you’ll give it a go. I’ll make sure the vid will be online all the time. It’s a sign of my gratitude because without reading the forums for all of these years I might never had the inspiration to try this approach.

    Normal orgasms are interesting.. no bad sideffects.. just feeling relaxed, sleepy but a bit… hollow.. sort of like something took a piece of my soul… so there IS something negative even with normal functioning body.. but it’s more psychical than physical. When i wake up the next day the part of soul that felt “hollow” is ok again. Heh… but oh man does sex without condom feel great again!!!! eternal delight!!

    #14815

    Theron

    Once again the main issue is that this forum consists of

    1) people with SE/POIS ( the two are interwined to some degree)

    2) people with hard flacid

    3) People with both Both SE, hard flacid

    4) People with just pelvic floor dysfunction

    5) People with SE, Pelvic floor dysfunction, , hard flacid

    6) as well as other cases

    POIS treatment would only apply to a small percentage of people on this forum. Great for them. the vast majority of us dont fall into that category.

    the theory of clenching causes hormonal and neurotransmitter imbalances is actually one of the funniest theories iv seen yet on this forum.

    I can guarentee you that the people who have the general more common version of SE such as you and me know we have biochemical deficinescies.

    iv actually seen you post on some social anxiety forums ( im assuming it was you actually ) . If this is indeed you then you probably an identical situtation to me . im assuimging aside for anxiety you also have eyefloaters, premature ejaculation, depresion, mood swings?

    You sould defiently run a neurotransmitter test would love to compare results.

    #14816

    Wyatt

    Actually this forum consists of people who:

    1. Problems dissapear after abstination and reappear after orgasm

    ……

    that’s all.. nothing else… all is a variation of a corrupt orgasm procedure that effs up everything.

    And… I have LOADS of eyefloaters (it pisses me off) from SE/POIS times… I had SE/POIS/Pelvic floor dysfunction and maybe some hard flaccid but since my penis is 7,8 inches long I never really cared if it is hard, turtles or etc (not bragging but just stating.. it never bothered me how “small” it looked).

    #14817

    Lloyd

    ,

    You’re correct that is me. I have all minus the eye floaters. In my researches I cover a lot beyond sexual exhaustion and social anxiety is one of them. Only problem with me right now is I’m so unmotivated and struggling with the final semester of college. I need to get these out of the way before I can continue with my work. This semester has been a killing.

    #14818

    Raul

    1. Problems dissapear after abstination and reappear after orgasm

    Whose problems have disapeared after abstination???!?!?!?!?!? I havnt encountered a single person yet would apreciate a reference.

    If you have eyefloaters then you are far from healed. Just cuse your dick works better does not mean you are healed from sexual exhaustion.

    If that was considered healed id be healed along time again. theres alot more to this then just getting your dick hard.

    I love how healed is considered ” as long as I abstain im healed but then I ejacualte and all my symptoms return” . I just dont get it do you guys really want to go through your life like that.

    whatever dude if your satisfied with your sexual function congrats. But just the fact that you eyefloaters still just shows you accomplished very little…im glad your dick gets hard mine does to

    pelvic floor dysfunction causing hormonal biochemical imbalances thats to funny man thanks for that.

    #14819

    Darrel

    In speaking with YUHU he told me had alot of social anxiety as well. SE and social anxiety go hand in hand. He just like me and you studied the social anxiety websites all the time to.

    Once he balanched his nueros and hormones he said there was a huge improvement in sociability, confidence, and general outlook.

    Though I wouldnt say I have social anxiety. But Iam defiently more anxious and unconfident then I used to be around people. On my few weeks of amino acid therapy I saw huge results in this area. It was like for 6 weeks I was able to be the old funny care free me.

    Dont give up man your what like 23 years old? I know this shit is fucking ridicolous but you have like 60 years ahead of you. If you go through them sexualy exhausted it would probably better to just blow your brains out. Thats my view on it anyway.

    I just had my phone consultation with dr. Mariano and theres no doubt in my mind theres a way out of this mess. Its just a matter of figuring out how to put your body back together.

    #14820

    Rodger

    That may be true for a lot of people but not me either. Like I mentioned earlier some days I’d ejaculate and I’d actually have better hang next day. I wouldn’t say mood is better, but sometimes its not worse at least. And when I’m abstaining, generally yea symptoms slowly dissapear, but sometimes I’d wake up and hard flaccid would be worse than the day before. So its totally random.. I wouldn’t really say my symptoms dissapear after abstaining.

    But anyway POIS I see you’re set as a bull that you’re right and we’re wrong.. so lets just drop this. topic closed.

    #14821

    Darell

    I agree with POIS message of muscle relaxation, because over months Ive realized how tense I am down there.

    However it doesn’t explain then, why POIS did not have a hard flaccid, and I do.

    Besides POIS explaining the whole relaxation thing, that’s where I get off..

    I agree with pretty much everything everyone else is saying. It’s clear we all have similar symptoms, but are very different cases.

    For example I think me and Frenchi may share symptoms, but we’re not the same cause.

    However, , me and you share a LOT of similarities, your story is strikingly similar to mine. So keep us posted on the development from here on out. After I see Dr. Mariano, I’ll see what he has to say, but my next stop will be a pelvic floor specialist, and finally a psychiatrist.

    That covers Hormones + Pelvic Floor + Psychological/Neurotransmitter shit.

    Oh and Obitoo, this isn’t a physical damaging of the penis. Mine started immediately after smoking weed and then taking a piss and applying a topical cream thing.

    It has to be hormones+neurotransmitters+Pelvic floor disorder.

    The real question here is, in what order did they come? For me I know neurotransmitters was last because PE/ED followed LATE after the onset. My order is either; Hormones -> Pelvic Floor disorder -> Neuro’s

    or what I’m thinking right now

    Pelvic Floor disorder -> Hormones -> Neuro’s.

    For anyone else the order could change or one factor may be taken out. The question is what was the forward push that began this whole thing, and how do you fix it?

    I think for me it will be the case of relaxation techniques (Which can include yoga/meditation, but you don’t need those as I won’t be using them) many of these relaxation techniques can be taught to you from a pelvic floor specialist, along with the use of Biofeedback. After fixing my pelvic floor, the hormones and neuro’s will just fall back into place with a better state of mind along with therapy.

    #14822

    Mohammed

    @: wow, thanks for sharing! very interesting case. so, for you, is it that this WAS due to overmasturbation and chemicals – or that it IS due to those things? Basically I’m wondering:

    – How long have you had this?

    – When this kicked in, did you immediately stop overmasturbating completely?

    – Are you still overmasturbating?

    – Are you getting any better, and how?

    I don’t believe I was OVERmasturbating but who knows, maybe it was a little too much for me personally – especially with the stress and meds thrown into the mix? Really wish the doctor didn’t tell me to ejaculate as much as possible when it turns out that I never had an infection. One simple test 2 months ago, instead of a prescription, would have prevented all of this.

    I actually know who Dr. Paduch is. I wanted to see him for something else not long ago but unfortunately their dept doesn’t take my insurance. But I’m willing to pay if it’s helpful.

    What did he determine exactly? What did he say is actually happening the shaft when it’s hard? It is blood? It it void of blood? Is the muscle eternally clenched, eternally unclenched? Anything is helpful.

    This is probably naive but I’d assume that if we’ve whacked our bodies out that simply stopping all the bad activity would allow it to correct itself. I still haven’t heard of a single person who had this happen, then ceased all masturbation etc. Seems like most kept going. And there lots of people who say “Happened to me. Leave it alone for a few weeks and it will go away.” That’s what I’m doing. I don’t even have any desire at all anyway. Perhaps it really can heal if you go 100% hands-off immediately. I do think my hormones at play as well though. The stress I was under was intense, plus the meds and supplements were already screwing with me.

    Keep in touch. I can’t friggin’ believe in Manhattan we can’t find a single doctor whose even heard of this before. That blows my mind. Did Paduch say he’d seen it before?

    #14823

    Branden

    Iv had this condition for about 15 months now. Im 19 years old and it started happening to me halfway through my first relationship.

    I had always masterbated , usually at a rate of 2-7 times a week depening on my needs from lets say 4th grade to senior year of HS. Senior year of HS i meet my EX and we started going out. I had some initial performance anxiety not to mention was a little desensitized from the years of jerking off to porn so i had some mild ED the first few times we had sex.

    But after several weeks of being together and reducing my masterbation ( was pure luck she satisfied me so I didnt have a need to jerk off) I regained more then satisfactory sexual function.

    For the next 12 months or so everything was great. I rarely ever had ED, was always horny , was very happy, energetic, could work out as much as I pleased and I basically had an awesome senior year. O also very very important. I didnt have the slightest case of Premature ejaculation. I could go foever. I would say I only ejaculated 1 in 5 times and it took a huge effort.

    Now during most of highschool years I drank moderatly and smoked weed moderatly. Prob drank like once every two weeks and smoked like twice a week on average during senior year. In the earlier years of HS I smoked much less more like once a month.

    Anyway fastforward to freshmen year of college and we decide to do the whole long distance thing. I also decide to try exstacy twice, Xanax 3 or 4 times, started smoking almost daily sometimes even twice, and also returned to my old ways of jerking off, except this time even more instead of 2-7 times a week it was more like 1-4 times a day. I was also traning 6 times a week during this time 4 days lifting 2 days cardio.

    That combination of events in the span of 3 to 4 months of freshmen year caused my body to go overboard and totally crash.

    My first symptoms manifested itself as severe premature ejaculation. This obviously caused me to start having ED. After that I gradually started realizing i was really depressed, low energy , trouble recovering after training, inflamatory pains in my back.

    Fast forward a few months and added to that list were eyefloaters and a 2 months long period of very very frequent urination.

    For the first 4 months of these symptoms I had no clue wtf was going on. I thought maybe i was just over excited for sex or some thing. But then after doing some extensive research i found the whole Dr. Lin explanation of overmasterbation and sexual exhaustion realized it matched everything I had perfectly and then I found this forum and realized im not alone.

    My first course of action was to run to all the different doctors in the area and see what they had to say. And basically they all said i was fine and it was in my head. so after a few frustrating months I was like F*ck this its not in my head these assholes are retarted.

    So I made the journey to Dr. Overbeck and Shawn bean in philadelphia. I dono how familiar you are with the whole forum community but Shawn bean posts on all the main forums as Hardasnails1973. He even used to post on me.

    Anyway it was with them that I finally started taking the right steps to regaining my health. We did extensive blood work for hormones as well as neurotransmitters.

    from hormonal blood work I have the following problems

    1) Low to mediocore testosterone

    2) Low DHT

    3) slight adrenal fatigue

    4) hypothyroid due to ok Free t3 but terriblly high Rt3.

    My neurotransmitters all came back terribly low below range thanks to the overmasterbation and drug use.

    So this all looks nice and dandy but to make a long story short I needed “more help ” to figure out my problems.

    So this past december I flew out to california for an apointment with Dr. Mariano who along with Dr. Chrisler are the two best in the buisness when it comes to hormones neurotransmitters etc.

    THe dude is a genious and by taking my temperature, pulse, checking my eyes, skin texture, reflexes, and ofcourse blood work was like you have clearly blown your sympathetic nervous system into overdrive and you all sorts of hormonal issues etc.

    So now its about month 15 or so of this living hell. Iv basically identified all my problem areas . At this point its a matter of creating a protocol to do the following in this order

    1) reverse my slight adrenal fatigue

    2) Fix my thyroid

    3) fix my testosterone

    4) fix my neurotransmitters

    the problem is that for now mariano is taking a kinda of all natural approach with vitamins nutriotional intervetion etc that was a epic fail but thats ok I understand that he wants to i guess take his time especially based on my age. My first phone consultation is actually this thursday so I have a shitload to talk about with him and hopefully we can begin the real healing.

    Now you also asked how has stopping masterbation and porn affected me?

    well lets see the day I found out about this SE shit I stopped both and saved my energy for my GF at the time. Within a few weeks I rarely had ED but still had ALL my other symptoms. Since then we have broken up and iv only hooked up with one girl since so i dont have a girl to “test things ” with anymore.

    However its my opinion that abstainin is only part of the solution. All it does it resenstize your brain ( most likely resenstizes dopamine receptors) to sexual stimulus. So sure it will help you get erections.

    As a matter of fact in janurary and febuary I did another abstainin stint of about 30 days. Similar results, a week or two in you notice its easier to get erections , hornier etc. But if your not gona deal with all the other issues affecting your body its my opinion you will never truly heal. Iv known what its like to experience a year of pretty good ( could have been better had I known everyhting I do now ) sexual function. And just abstaining will not let you regain that and my goal is to get as close I can to what I previously was if not better.

    anyway this past month since the abstain iv been keepin it to like once a week. never watch porn. It dosnt really affect anything.

    However Once im truly on a protocol for healing I plan on doing everything I can to abstain as much as possible.

    Sorry for how crazy long this is lol

    #14824

    Manual

    Wow, thanks for sharing. Do you, or did you, have “hard flaccid” as well? I’ve never really suffered from ED at all. Once in a while I’d lose excitement when really tired but nothing major.

    #14825

    Brain

    No hard flacid for me thank god . But I have noticed something like this happen.

    When I decide im gona masterbate ill sometimes get heart palpitations and anxiety. this is almost defiently due to the spike in norepinephrine when im faced with a sexual situation. anyway I have noticed that when this happens my dick will often turtle and get hard while soft.

    this only happens sometimes ( usually when i abstain for a long time lmao ) and is about the closest I get to experiencing hard flacid.

    #14826

    Lon

    Frenchiman :

    I think this way because clearly if hormones were to blame there would be much more cases of hard flacid and SE if it were the hormones. People have hormonal imbalances all the time and if you would look into the database you would see many people with the same exact values and you have but no hard-flaccid or SE. No coincidence there buddy.

    And no I don’t have all the answers.. the thing is I stoped looking for explanations in the theory.

    I was a clencher too, Obitoo just admited to that also.. we are all clenchers and certain life circumstances have threw us over the edge into a very exotic ailment. Yes pumping testosterone into your veins can help you feel a bit better but it will not erase the problem that is in your brain and in your pelvic area. But if you would undergo HRT and do the right things to re-learn your buttons you would probably get a speedier recovery. It was insanely fast in my case but it’s probably thanks to all of the previous training I had before.

    #14827

    Tod

    number 1. I couldn’t find anybody else with a combination of hormonal imbalances just like mine, besides. There are people with thyroid issues, there are people with cortisol issues, people with both thyroid and cortisol.. but I could find nobody with low thyroid, adrenals, AND high E2 at the same time AND high inflammation AND messed up T.

    The only person with the same combination is Chris and he had hard flaccid.

    Next alota people have hard flaccid actually, unfortunately. There’s this forum, medhelp forum, Dr. richard’s and lin’s countless cases, and a bunch of other forums. Yea true a lot of people around the world have adrenal fatigue and don’t have hard flaccid.. but how many of them have low thyroid, super high e2, low T, and inflammation at the same time? not many. And how do we know that those not many all don’t have hard flaccid? Maybe they do. We don’t know. We’ll never know.

    I’m not advocating that hormones are responsible for everything – you could be completely right – i’m just throwing both sides of the picture out there.

    I actually used to clench my PC/BC/whatever muscles down there too when I was younger. Not to the extreme, and I’ve never hard problems with urinating or bowel movements, but I did clench whatever muscles down there while jerking off when I was young to speed up the process, and now I’m assuming that how I developed PE in the first place.

    So its possible that turned into pelvic floor disorder.. but my hormones are still messed up regardless and I gotta balance them either way. Then we’ll see what happens.

    Today my flaccid is not bad at all. Since I jerked off two days in a row its stayed soft and plumb.. go figure :S

    So earlier I was sitting, fully relaxing, doing some improvised yoga, deep breathing.. trying to relax pelvic floor muscles like Tech was saying.. and I could actually feel some muscles down there relaxing. I look and flaccid hang improved by just a small amount. Then I got up, started clenching everything I can down there to see what would happen.. pc, bc, everything.. started walking quickly.. I look and hang is practically unchanged. Actually from flexing my pc muscle I started getting semi hard.. instead of back to hard flaccid which should have happened if I ‘contract things down there’..

    so basically all day today hang is pretty good.. tightening or relaxing those muscles makes a very small difference..

    so this completely against pelvic floor theory.. probably means that I got alota sleep, havent been stressing, was barely moving all day.. so cortisol was better than normally.

    #14828

    Elden

    Theories and theories again yada yada. You say that cortisol is ok without having a proper blood test. That’s borderline crazy.

    Frenchi what counts are the results and not the usual forum babble. Your results Frenchi??? that’s what counts.. the results.

    #14829

    Bert

    Ok you’re gonna have to rephrase that cuz I don’t really get you.

    “without having a proper blood test”?

    – I have done a blood test. and a saliva test. I mentioned it many times in this thread alone. The results show that my cortisol is not ok. Far from ok. Morning cortisol is below range, evening is over the top of the range.

    I was saying that on days when I don’t stress, don’t move much, sleep alot, cortisol probably improves.. and that helps my symptoms. That’s just my guess.

    If by “results” you’re talking about progress and how I feel then I agree. In that sense I haven’t really achieved any results yet. But we’ll see what happens when I improve hormones.

    #14830

    Adalberto

    Okay but be on the lookout for the ad hoc fallacy. Good levels of hormones and neurotransmitters can improve every aspect of life and therefore even SE or hard-flaccid. But improve doesn’t mean cure or fix and therefore the “core problem” is somewhere else.

    People spent too much time following wrong paths even though they seemed promising at first.

    #14831

    Francisco

    So you had hard flaccid and recovered quickly? That is encouraging, and the only first-hand recovery I’ve heard of. How long did it take, and what was involved? I am seeing a doctor today that I hope can help and would like to have as much useful info as possible. I’m willing to do anything.

    Thank you.

    #14832

    Larry

    I’m not really sure if I had hard-flaccid. Sometimes it was harder to the touch and sometimes it was nice and plump. I think it’s normal that it hangs differently every now and then. But I definitely had some serious pelvic muscle problems as my ass was tight all the time, buzzing prostate especially when I was sitting, ED from time to time, loss of sensation in penis. By spasming certain pelvic muscles I could even acheive a complete orgasm without any manual stimulation.

    My main problem was that I had was serious health problems after an orgasm. A post orgasmic illness syndrome.

    What made me normal again were normal orgasms. These “normal” orgasms caused relaxation in my pelvic area and suddenly every symptom I had started immediately vanishing even severe brain fog, flight-or-fight mode I was in all the time and certain social phobia. Funny thing is.. I’m the only one to date active on the forums who’s reporting a 100% success.. not just 50-60 or 80.. 100%.

    We’re doing a video on our findings but I’m seeing a complete lack of any serious interest from the sufferers. This is seriously annoying for me and I’m losing any interest of explaining anything. That’s why I want the video finally finished so people who want to try something else will try it and I don’t have to be active and try to persaude people. It’s even free for god sakes.. no tests, no supplements, no hard training. You just have to have patience to reach a certain breaking point after which the pelvic area function restarts normally again. If you don’t reach that breaking point you can have some success but if you try again it’ll be harder and harder and you’ll be failing all the time.

    It really reminds me the way that people with traumatic masturbation syndrome have to fix it (www.healthystrokes.com). If they just try to masturbate the normal way they won’t be able to do it. They have to wait two weeks (depends on the case) without any sexual actvities and after that the body has reset it’s learning process enough so they can achieve the orgasm in a more normal way (it takes a few long attempts normally). The body learns the new process and makes it the primary one. When you get used to one masturbation technique you immediately forget the older ones and it’s harder with them to achieve an orgasm.

    Same with people why try TENS (electric stimulation) on their penis to achieve an orgasm. They ussualy have to abstain for a while to learn to orgasm with it.

    In our cases it’s different that it’s not the masturbation technique but the reflexes which cause clenching the pelvic area. They need to be erased and you should actually feel relaxation in the pelvic area to achieve a normal orgasm. Your autonomous reflexes will trigger the orgasm when it’s the right time so there will be no need for extra “pressure” you have been causing consciously. It’s the arousal alone that should be manipulating alot of functions and for that you also need normal arousal (no pr0n).

    Before I even needed the “pressure/flexing” downthere to have an erection. Not anymore… it pretty much happens very autonomously.

    If your hard flaccid and other problems go away if you abstain from masturbation or sex then I guess you might start thinking what i’m trying to say here.

    but people rather not listen or bother…

    I guess people fear something… and it’s seriously annoying!

    #14833

    Keenan

    Interesting, thanks for sharing. I’m open to anything. This whole thing has been so damn weird I now realize that anything is possible.

    Right now I mainly want to ensure with doctors that:

    – tissue damage isn’t occurring, and won’t.

    – nerve damage isn’t present. the action that would normally keep urine from dribbling has seemed to fail. i’m not full on peeing my pants, but i’m dripping now and then. that worries me. i also can’t move my BC muscles any more. my mind is telling them to move, but they just don’t. it’s a scary feeling.

    – communication between brain and penis isn’t destroyed. i am concerned that if this feeling of “disconnection” persists long enough that it will rewire it to be permanent.

    At this point I’m not sure if I’ve got a physical injury or an emotional one, or a combo of both. I have a hard time believing I injured my dick by masturbating twice in one day. I remember when I was in high school I could do it 5 times a day. It just seems like the pinnacle of a long period of emotional and physical stress – probably made worse by medication and supplements. The fact that it’s happened to many others under similar circumstances is telling, and should make it easier to figure out and deal with. I am not keen on taking drugs or hormones but if that’s the only way to balance things then I am willing.

    I want to ask again: Has anyone with hard flaccid taken Levaquin? If so, did you have a reaction to it?

    My “brain fog” all started when I took Levaquin 2 months ago. Lately I am in that same state of panic and fog. Anyway, I would like to rule out Levaquin as a possible cause of hard flaccid as well. It does have CNS and tissue side effects, but hard flaccid is pretty damn specific so unless we ALL took it then I’d rule it out pretty quickly. Just curious.

    PS: I think it’s important that you publish your findings and get your video out! I will be putting together a website for hard-flaccid for the same purposes. I am hoping with the help of some doctors (neurologists and psychologists included) we can pinpoint it and give it a name.

    #14834

    Abe

    There is nothing hormonal about pelvic floor tension, it’s a purely habitual phenomenon that simply needs to be unlearned. This is done with simple body-awareness. Yoga provides postures and breathing exercises to aid the process of opening the pelvis. Your breathing, posture & pelvic movements are interlinked. The prostate is supposed to receive internal stimulation from the breathing movement of diaphragm, this will awaken healthy, natural sexual feelings. Just like you were a kid. If your pelvis is constricted, your prostate will not get this internal stimulation and your sexuality will suffer.

    #14835

    Garry

    I’m all for yoga and meditation, don’t get me wrong. But the fact is I went to bed with my normal penis and woke up with someone else’s. Even with all of my pelvic tension issues, something major happened very quickly.

    #14836

    Lee

    Even if it seems quick, diseases develop for years under the surface before manifesting like that. Don’t wait the reversal to be quick. It’s the same logic. You need to heal “under the surface” for a long time until it is health’s turn to be manifested.

    #14837

    Isaac

    Hope you guys are right..

    but then Nicolas do you have an explanation for every one of the hormones I tested being out of balance?

    just a coincidence or what?

    one day I’m perfectly healthy, next day I wake up with pelvic floor disorder.. and coincidentally my thyroid is low, adrenals low, estradiol high?

    F*ck knows.. maybe I’m a special case that has messed up hormones in addition to pelvic floor disorder. I wouldn’t be surprised with my luck..

    POIS looking forward to your video.

    nobody here fears anything.. its not like we got something to lose..

    #14838

    Lindsay

    I’d much prefer it be a fixable pelvic floor problem over any of the many other awful things I am imagining.

    But doesn’t it seem odd that 99.9% of the people who have reported to have this are on penis enhancement forums? Lots of men in the world have pelvic floor problems far worse than mine and don’t just wake up with a hard flaccid penis one day. Almost everyone got it from jelqing their penis, rough sex or masturbation. Regular masturbation doesn’t do this, so is it safe to assume it was probably overly agressive masturbation as well? I wouldn’t say mine way, but maybe because I did it twice in one night? No idea.

    I’d find it really coincidental that every single person who has this happens to practice penis enlargement AND have pelvic floor problems, AND have hormone issues.

    There’s got to be more than a few very healthy (mentally and physically) guys who do penis enlargement and have had this happen to them. And isn’t jelqing not a sexual thing at all anyway? Isn’t it a flaccid stretching? So that kind of rules out the sexual exhaustion adrenal lock theory. If they were all having an orgasm every time then I’d buy that, but it doesn’t appear to be the case.

    I think this is an injury to the penis, and the hormone damage is from extended periods of time of depression and anxiety that come from having a broken penis with no cure.

    I can feel blood building up pressure and gurgling all around in my groin all day long. This has to be a blood issue. I’ve been taking Magnesium all day to try and help get my stress hormone levels down, and I have seen some improvements in my sack. It’s not dragging on the floor any more. But the penis is unimproved. In fact, it seems worse than yesterday.

    Was feeling optimistic but now am feeling lost once again.

    #14840

    Denis

    OK, how’s this sound?

    Nerve Stretch Injury!

    ==========================================

    The pelvic floor is a hammock of muscles which supports the bladder, intestines and (in women) the uterus and vagina.

    ==========================================

    In the sitting position, the colon is not properly prepared for waste evacuation. It is in the continence mode.

    On a conventional (sitting) toilet, a person is forced to strain, while holding the breath, and pushing downwards with the diaphragm, in order to evacuate. This action is called the Valsalva Maneuver.

    In the sitting position, the pelvic floor is also unsupported by the thighs. As a result, each time one strains on the sitting toilet, it is repeatedly forced downwards.

    The pelvic floor is simply not designed to cope with this sort of stress and abuse. Each time it is depressed, the pudendal nerve which runs through the pelvic floor is stretched at the same time.

    Nerves are not elastic, and studies have shown that a 12% stretch destroys a nerve. This goes for the pudendal nerve, which cannot be stretched very far without being damaged.

    It doesn’t happen right away. But slowly but surely, as the pelvic floor sags lower and lower, there comes a day when the tipping point will occur.

    The pudendal nerve is stretched beyond its capacity, and can no longer transmit brain signals to and from the prostate and other pelvic organs properly.

    This could potentially explain why either jelqing or clenching could cause the exact same injury. Nerve stretch. Not sure about you guys but that’s exactly what it feels like to me. My brain is telling my BC muscle to contract but it just won’t. Might also explain why we’re ok when lying down. The nerve isn’t being pressed down upon by the failed pelvic floor above. I think in this case that doing pelvic floor stretches might actually be detrimental. Might want to do strengthening instead. Will ask my PT and post any findings!

    #14841

    Barney

    That is the typical female case (loose pelvic floor) but the typical male case is the opposite (tight pelvic floor). That is why Kegels are originally prescribed to women, to tightnen the area… For men with sexual problems Kegels might worsen the situation so be careful with strengthening. Most men need loosening in the first place.

    #14843

    Jarrod

    Can you do a normal kegel? That means BC + PC + probably IC.

    Anyway.. what about leg stretching during the masturbation to bring about the orgasm faster (this is mentioned in our video so far). Does it ring a bell for anyone? It sure does in my case as I was also a heavy “stretcher”

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