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September 13, 2013 at 7:19 am #1711
So I did some research on this book that a couple people have plugging, and it’s complete bullshit, read some of the reviews from people that have read this book:
“On a first read through of Headache in the Pelvis you may be be impressed and if you have pelvic pain full of hope that this books holds the answers and be eager to attend the clinic described. As the description on the Amazon page states it is a ‘ground breaking book’ describing ‘new and revolutionary treatment from Stanford University Urology department’, one of the authors himself suffered for 22 years and is now pain free and the book is adorned with highly impressive testimonials. Unfortunately if you do some research into both the book and the treatment described the story concocted by the authors begins to rapidly unravel.
Firstly lets start with the first author listed David Wise. Above he is described as ‘ a psychologist who spent 8 years in the Department of Urology at Stanford University’ . You would assume then that his PhD is in physchology especially when the author is known to highlight his PhD to patients to gain credibilty. However not only has the author never been to medical school their PhD is also not in psychology. It is in Sociology. David Wises qualification is below.
University of California, Berkeley
Department of Sociology
David Thomas Wise
Entering Cohort: 1967
Dissertation: Dharma West: A Social-Psychological Inquiry into Zen in San Francisco
I fail to see how Sociology is a subject related to the study of chronic pain. Wises PhD also explains the many references to Buddhism in the book. Wise is a psychologist as he 30 years ago his Ph.D allowed him to become one. He refers to himself as Dr Wise though which can be misleading to patients as his doctorate has nothing to do with medicine.
Secondly you would assume that the clinic advertised in the book is associated with Stanford University Urology department as the treatment is described as the ‘Stanford Protocol’. This again though is not true. The protocol is not mentioned at all on the Stanford Urology department website which is strange as I thought this treatment was `revolutionary’. Pelvic pain affects millions around the world and you would have thought Stanford Urology department would have been proud and eager to display this new protocol on their website. In actual fact there is no one involved in the protocol described in the book based at Stanford urology department. Dr Rodney Anderson used to be at Stanford Urology department but has now retired. David Wise was never a member of the faculty there and there is no profile of him on the website. There is not a single mention of the protocol or book throughout the whole of the website. If you phone up Stanford Urology department there is no one there that can speak to you regarding the protocol or is involved with the protocol. When I phoned them and mentioned the protocol they at first had no idea what I was talking about. When I went on to explain they made it clear that there is absolutely no connection between the clinic advertised in the book and Stanford Urology department. They are entirely seperate.
The protocol was never officially called the ‘Stanford Protocol’. It was only named this by a website which promotes the author David Wise and his clinic. I presume the authors did not object to the unofficial name knowing it would help to attract patients. The authors are now keen to stress that the protocol is now officially named the Wise-Anderson protocol.
The testimonials by doctors recommending the book are particularly dubious. None of them specialise in pelvic pain. Erik Pepper quoted on the front cover is a former Sports psychologist for the U.S rhythmic gymnastic team. Martin Schwartz is listed as
Martin F. Schwartz, Ph.D.
Research Associate Professor
Department of Surgery
NYU School of Medicine
but is in reality
Martin F. Schwartz, Ph.D.
Executive Director of the National Center for Stuttering
[…] , A speech therapist!
If you check the other testimonials they are all similar to this example. For example the neurosurgeon who was chief of Neurosurgery at Marin General hospital last worked there 29 years ago! He now works doing medical legal evaluations near the author David Wises home. Its interesting that there is not a single doctor from Stanford who has given a testimonial.
The book itself is published by the National Center of Pelvic pain research. Sounds impressive however there is no official center. This is just the name David Wise has given to his business. The center in reality is a small office. Respected doctors do not need to resort to these deceiving tactics to attract patients. David Wises business name and title of Director gives the impressions that he has a team of scientists doing research but its nothing like that. If you phone the number for the apparent center its not uncommon for Wise to pick up the phone or at least be available to speak to. I am surprised that a director for a National research center for a condition which affects millions can attend to every new patient individually! The National center for pelvic pain also cannot afford a clinic. It only holds a clinic for one week once a month from a hotel. The hotel incidentally is nowhere near Stanford. Its 93 miles away in Santa Rosa.
What is curious about the book is that it describes treatment which combines physical therapy and relaxation. Now these are old ideas and approaches to pelvic pain yet it desribes itself as ‘groundbreaking’ and ‘revoloutionary’. There were physical therapists practising treatment on the pelvic floor 20 years before this book came out. Who do you think treated David Wise? Its curious that the author makes no mention of the physical therapists or doctors who diagnosed him and helped him recover. Even the relaxation described was developed by Edmund Jacobsen in the 1920s(the authors explain this in the book but to make the relaxation sound unique to them they have renamed it ‘paradoxical’ relaxation, the name change is a gimmick to try and make it sound original). It apparently took the authors 8 years to simply combine these theories. There is not a single original idea contained in the book.
Even the psychological theories put forward are not original. The book reverts back to old ideas from the 18th and 19th century when it was believed that the pelvis was intimately connected to the mind. Problems in the pelvis at this point in history were thought to be connected to psychological problems. A hysterectomy was performed as a supposed cure for hysteria partly explaining the name of its procedure. The reason the root word “hyster” refers to the womb is derivative of the word “hysteria” based on the sexist assumption that the womb itself caused uncontrollable, emotional behaviour.
The book opens up old and now widely disregarded ideas about pelvic pain. That it is caused by sexual shame , sexual abuse, a certain personality type, anxiety and even that it is caused by the guilt of cheating on a partner. (Incidentally if your in relationship which is strained as it probably is with pelvic pain that is not a great thing for your partner to read or hear). The book contains no evidence to prove these theories correct , it just makes speculations. The phrase ` we speculate’ is common in the book. In regarding the link to anxiety the authors make that classic mistake of bad science, mistaking correlation for causality. Please find me someone with pelvic pain for which there is usually no explanation who is not anxious. Yet the authors make the leap of putting forward the idea that anxiety actually causes pelvic pain. One of the reasons it does this is to give the author David Wise ,who has not been to medical school, a role in the treatment. David Wise teaches relaxation techniques at the clinic mentioned in the book.
I also question the authors knowledge of psychology and cognitive behavioural therapy. They recommend the work of Byron Katie as the ‘best form of cognitive behavioural therapy’ yet I know of no professional psychologist that would even regard the work of Byron Katie as cognitive behavioural therapy. Indeed the authors psycholgical research seems to have consisted of watching Oprah as the other books recommended by the author is another book that has featured on the show.
Headache in the Pelvis contains no references. The reader is expected to blindly accept the claims of the authors. It is full of bad research. For instance it mentions a study that cancer patients survived longer if they were part of a support group. The author of this study though has now claimed his findings were wrong and there is no evidence to support the belief that cancer patients survive longer if they are part of a support group.
As some reviews have commented the book is basically an advertisement for the clinic. Readers should be aware that there are physical therapists with far more experience and expertise than the one employed at David Wises clinic. No pelvic floor physical therapists will charge thousands for only a single weeks worth of treatment. If patients want to try relaxation then there will be many therapists locally that can help you again for a far cheaper price. There is no evidence that the relaxation method described in this book are the most effective for pelvic pain.
In conclusion if a reader is thinking of attending the clinic advertised in the book they deserve to be aware of the smoke and mirrors employed by the authors to lure patients. This book provides no original contribution to the study of pelvic pain. At the Glasgow international pelvic pain conference this book was not discussed , few doctors were even aware of if and the authors were not even present.
I know 5 people that have attended the clinic and practised the self treatment methods described in the book. At first you will find patients are full of hope after they attend and will convince themselves they are improving. Sadly after a year patients admit that they have not improved. I know of no one that has been helped long term after attending the clinic.
In regards the studies published by the authors claiming certain success rates I would point out that none of them are controlled. Nearly all non controlled studies will produce a positive result. This book is a work of quackery with no evidence to back up any of its claims.”There is another way that you can stop porn addiction, chronic masturbation and recover your sexual health without fighting it with willpower. With the right mindset you won't even relapse. You can learn more about the recovery program hereSeptember 13, 2013 at 7:20 am #1713
“The Wise-Anderson book sells the idea that disabling pelvic pain is the patient’s own fault — the result of “tension” arising out of bad habits and guilt. The idea is evil: an outrageous and dangerous fraud. Consider:
1. There is no science behind Wise-Anderson’s book: no peer reviewed studies, and no patient follow-up on which such studies might be based. It derives from long-discredited ideas by Freud, who blamed his patient’s problems on “hysteria” which later turned out to be epilepsy and other real diseases.
2. There are well known differentials (lists of possible causes) for pelvic pain. Most of the causes of pelvic pain are well known, mundane and curable (as examples, infection, nonpalpable inguinal hernias, and kidney stones which can cause “referred” pain in surprising places). But the reader of the Wise-Anderson book is led away from mundane medicine to blame themselves — as though “tension” is the real problem.
3. I don’t doubt that muscles tense in response to pain, but to blame the pain on muscles (as the Wise-Anderson book does) is backwards — it mixes up cause and effect. In my case after years of mis-direction by Wise-Anderson and others, I learned I had a nonpalpable (difficult to detect by feel) inguinal hernia — a very common and curable problem. In my experience cure the pain, and the “tension” goes away.
4. The “Anderson” part of Wise-Anderson is Rodney Anderson, a urologist (and for that reason also a surgeon), who’s previous explanation for pelvic pain was another quack solution: surgery to cure “pudendal nerve entrapment.” But that surgery also has no science behind it: no peer review, no follow-up. The best one can say about Anderson is he abandoned that surgery when it became clear it does not work. Unfortunately he moved from one quack solution only to cooperate with David Wise in creating another.
Am I bitter? Sure. Thanks to this book and its followers, I wasted years getting quack Wise-Anderson protocol massages.
In short, Wise-Anderson are profiteers — making money (from book sales, quack meditation centers, and quack internal massages) by diverting people from the long known mainstream causes of pelvic pain.
Patients will know they’re making progress when they find a doctor who knows a differential for pelvic pain which does NOT include the pudendal nerve, or the Wise-Anderson protocol. Avoid the pelvic pain profiteers, starting with avoiding Wise-Anderson’s despicable and harmful book. “September 13, 2013 at 7:20 am #1715
“I read the book when it was first published and was very excited. I thought that I had found a solution at last. The author clearly has a powerful story as a pelvic pain sufferer himself.
I enrolled in the clinic offered by the author and followed the program for more than a year scrupulously.
For the first few months I thought that I was improving but eventually I came to the hard conclusion that it was probably only a placebo response.
At the end, the protocol did not work at all for me. I kept in touch with the other participants I met at the author’s clinic and with some other participants also (altogether 12 people). I am sorry to report that none of us have recovered using the Wise-Anderson protocol. To be fair, one of the participants reported that he is slightly more functional but not pain free. For the other participants, the program made no difference whatsoever. Most of the participants to the author’s pelvic pain clinic after 2-3 years eventually moved on to different treatments with more or less success.
I unfortunately noticed that the vast majority of the positive reviews on Amazon for this book and associated treatment are coming from people that are just reading the book or have just started the protocol and it may be a bit of wishful thinking. You can talk yourself out of pain for a while but it doesn’t last unfortunately.”
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