Abstinence from Masturbation — Effective

Sexual Reboot Forum Abstinence from Masturbation — Effective

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  • #3303

    Leonard

    My honest opinion is that it’s safe to do it moderately, meaning, just do it if you feel very horny. Don’t do it out of boredom and/or anxiety, that’s when an addiction kicks in.

    There is another way that you can stop porn addiction, chronic masturbation and recover your sexual health without fighting it with willpower. With the right mindset you won't even relapse. You can learn more about the recovery program here

    #3306

    Seth

    Yes if you abstain for a couple of weeks and then go to a club and see a handful of hot girls in short skirts i guarantee you will be horny.

    #3307

    Randall

    Suppose I was able to abstain for 3 weeks. What would my life be like moving forward?

    Would I have to wait 3 weeks between every sexual encounter?! Can’t I have at least one orgasm a day?

    #3308

    Chad

    ”Suppose I was able to abstain for 3 weeks. What would my life be like moving forward?”

    This was the best answer i could find for you…

    lol Seriously though, 1 orgasm per day for someone who is suffering negative symptoms after ejaculating (S.E) Is way to often.

    Imo you should try abstaining for 3-6 months as stated above, with absolutely no porn whatsoever, a healthy diet and vitamins/fatty acids.

    If after doing this your still fucked up, then go to the docs and get the appropriate tests done (adrenals/thyroid/hormones) because it’s probably not going to fix it’s self.

    Weigh things up in your mind like this, Whats 6 months abstinance from poor quality hardly enjoyable masturbation and orgasms, that for some are over in less than a minute which then causes inflammation and other symptoms to worsen, compared with after the abstinance if you are healed or even 60% healed being able to ejaculate through masturbation or sex regularly without any negative symptoms and feeling confident enough to get a girl.

    For me it’s a no brainer.

    #3311

    Emery

    @lee we have no evidence that the OP is suffering from any symptoms related to SE. At least nothing ive seen.

    Orgasming once a day is probably too much even for a perfectly healthy individual. But i dont think an orgasm once a day will lead to SE. In my case it took 4-5 ejaculations per day for over 3 years for SE to show. But it varies from invidivual to individual.

    During my recovery period i was never able to abstain for more than 25 days. Yet after 6 months my symptoms have lowered significantly. My ejaculation frequency is about twice a week, usually on the same day.

    I will say that i feel extremely horny the day or two after orgasming because my body is still wanting more sex. I think this is a healthy sign.

    But if you were to abstain for a while, you will feel horny at first but it will subside the longer u go without yanking your willy.

    What is weird is that sex feels really good for my condition yet masturbation is very bad. I would advise anyone in the recovery period not to slip back into porn and masturbation. Try very hard instead to get a gf or F*ck friend and release your sexual energy through them.

    I have a theory that the reason SE exists is because our bodies are rejecting the fakeness of the orgasm and it needs the real thing i.e with a woman.

    However the hormonal imbalance thing is still a mystery to me. When my testosterone and thyroid function were tested they were perfectly normal. I suppose i could have a neuro or androgen issue but i doubt it. I will eventually get fully tested but i consider myself lucky not to have testosterone issues. That is a whole nother mess.

    I still have a prostatE issue which pisses me off but i am praying it will continue to subside over time.

    One last thing. I still look at porn sometimes and will masturbate to it but i will make sure not to ejaculate. I still have an addiction

    #3314

    Carl

    Yeah charlie is completely right, sex looks like something much more healthy to us ( and to any person without SE) than the lonely and “fake” masturbation. For me, in masturbation subsides some kind of self-destruction.

    #3315

    Kelvin

    Lee, hows it going?

    Anything new?

    I have an endo appointment coming up in 3 days. I got a hold of some serious medicinal weed and been smoking it daily. Hard flaccid improved by like 50% in a few days. When combined with tylenol its almost 100% gone. Ejaculations are much stronger too. I’m gonna try to get a prescription for the medicinal stuff while I still have messed hormones to prove it.

    Besides that not much changes. Working odd jobs trying to save some $. Can’t wait to see what the endo has to say and start ordering everything.

    Any changes with the rest of you guys>?

    #3317

    Cody

    Mi condition is worse but I am FINALLY having some tests in a few days.

    And a load of supplements are coming hehehe.

    Lol medicinal weed is helping you that much?

    Prolactin and hard flaccid, what are your thoughts about it frenchi and the other hard flaccid sufferers?

    #3320

    Shane

    My thoughts are that prolactin is high because of high prostaglandin E2 levels.

    I remember most people with hard flaccid have high prolactin. A member on this forum sent me articles a long time ago that talk about how prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) raises prolactin levels. I’m pretty sure thats correct.

    As far as my case goes this is what I think –

    – Doing ecstasy triggered my adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid. (It was already preexisting cuz now that I think back I haven’t felt 100% healthy since I was like 16). So it would have triggered eventually.. but it was the E that did it that night.

    – In 1 night I develop adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid, low DHEA levels, low free T, clogged liver, high E2.. and so on.. what triggered what first doesn’t really matter, they all need to be addressed now.

    – All those imbalances combined cause major inflammation throughout all the body, even more in the lower body it seems. The inflammation alone is probably responsible for at least half of the “shitty feeling/ brainfog/ tireness”.

    – Inflammation releases excess PGE2. Excess PGE2 keeps my pelvic muscles constricted and leg muscles tight at times. So I do 100% have pelvic floor constriction.. but I believe its only there as long as theres excess PGE2, because when I take tylenol my pelvic muscles loosen up, urine flow becomes greater, so pelvic constriction is definitely there but I think it’ll pass the day hormones are balanced.. and not the other way around.

    – The excess PGE2 combined with everything else causes raised prolactin, low L/FSH. If I smoke the medical weed and take tylenol I can instantly feel my balls filling up, sex drive returning, which means that prolactin must be low and Lh/FSH higher.

    Yea the medical weed helps ridiculously. The high itself is amazing to begin with, within 5 minutes I feel my testicles loosen up and ‘fill up’.. then I just try to relax pelvic muscles as much as possibles and hard flaccid slowly fades. It helps with PE too. But its still nowhere near 100% recovery. If I had sex on the medical stuff I’m sure I’d still have PE and bust within minutes. Then you wake up refreshed the next morning and basically hard flaccid returns fully within a few days.

    #3321

    Dion

    F*ck, good statement. As always, you are a great source of information.

    Good to have people like you round here, I cant help much with specific knowledge and explanations but if a supplement helps me significantly everybody will know it.

    Looks like I am in some sort of a similar situation. Tomorrow I am having my blood taken (I hate it! haha) and the results will hopefully clear it out.

    Maybe the weed works because it kills anxiety and concern, because hard flaccid seem to be affected by it. All the sexual mechanism is related with it, indeed.

    By the way you mean “ecstasy”, the drug?

    #3324

    Jordon

    Hey frenchi

    cant agree more with what have you said about PGE-2

    #3325

    Jason

    yea ecstasy the drug

    and yea weed helps because it depresses the central nervous system. My central nervous system is in constant sympathetic mode and pumping excess norepinephrine.. and weed reduces, as well as pain killers.

    #3326

    Miguel

    Wow synthetic drugs are even worse than people says. Is not that surprising though, I heard of people dying just with one ecstasy.

    But quack Lin says that smoking weed leaded to a SE state to some people,who send him letters and shit…

    #3328

    Haywood

    came back from the endo appointment.. it was a pretty big disappointment.

    He said all the testing I’ve done through the states was a waste of money cuz he doesn’t believe in these labs… when in reality all results matched mine and Chris’s expectations and matched my symptoms.

    He straight up said I’m wrong and don’t know anything. He said the online community is a bunch of quackery. He completely brushed off “hard flaccid”. I got pretty pissed and started telling him how it is. He wanted to see my penis.. and it was actually more shrunken than usual. He said it looks normal.. and so does my tight scrotum. I donno maybe his dick is 3 inches..

    He said I dont have any symptoms of ‘low cortisol’ and so he won’t run a cortisol test on me cuz its expensive.

    He said all sexual health issues take to the urologist. I told him plenty people with my symptoms have been to urologists and there’s nothing wrong physically.. its physiological. He said I donno then take a viagra.

    His only concern was my tsh lol. I’m gonna get tested for T3, T4 and bioavailable T. And then he said all he can do is prescribe some weak thyroid medication which he doubts will even help.

    I asked if he can prescribe Erfa (that was the main reason I came to see him).. and he said no.. they dont carry it and its too powerful.

    so awful experience overall and another idiot doctor.

    Now I gotta order everything online. From one side I feel blessed that sites like that exist where you can order just about any med from anywhere in the world. But what happens if they close even 1 site down. What if in a year they run out of stock of Erfa or something and and thats gonna totally mess me up cuz other things I’ll be taking have to interact with Erfa. So if I lose access to even 1 med I’m totally fucked.. cuz they don’t carry any of that in canada.

    And I can expect to drop no less than $300 a month now just on meds for the rest of my life… I’m barely living paycheck to paycheck as it is..

    So fucked man…

    It’s ok tho.. I’ll get the $, order all the meds and prove all these motherfuckers wrong.

    #3330

    Bradford

    Sorry to hear that Frenchi, but its expected since almost many doctors can dont believe in the preventive approach in medication , if your cortisol is below 15 or of worst below 10 then its a big sign of poor adrenal but they wont react until a huge failure in the body function. I have been and iam going through this phase too

    a suggestion is to join or search for groups of thyroid & adrenal in Canada where there is a big opportunity to find a lead in these forums or groups.

    #3332

    Johnnie

    ya I mean I knew I’m not gonna get much outta the meeting but I didn’t expect him to be arrogant bastard.

    you planning on getting on meds anytime soon or what?

    #3333

    Salvatore

    F*ck, man. Most of doctors I went didnt do shit for me.”Take Cialis, you lunatic virgin”. I sincerely hate some of them and if I see them anytime at the streets they will hear my voice. We are dying because of their ignorance.

    But here is my advice. I have come to a lot of doctors and sadly, it ALL depends of the person, it is possible that another endo or doctor will actually listen and empathize with you,and THEN there is a possibility of having some tests and meds without spending that money… So consider trying with some doctors more after spending an unfair amount of money every month.

    #3334

    Hai

    Luckily I already know all the medications I need to take and in what order. Took me over a year to figure it all out (with the help of others like chris and Js) but I got here. So I don’t need these clueless doctors. I only went to try to get prescriptions so I can get the meds for free. But now I’ll just buy them online..

    I’m just waiting for my new cotisol results from ZRT, and to run thyroid tests locally.. n then time for action… within 2 months from then I should already be taking most meds and hard flaccid should be gone. fingers crossed.

    how old are you dude?

    And to the original poster, sorry we off tracked. My advice is like someone already mentioned, masturbate only when you feel really horny. It could be 3 days after you last ejaculated or it could be 2 weeks. But ONLY if you’re having spontaneous erections throughout the day and feeling horny then do it. Otherwise if you’re just bored or just wanna masturbate for fun then its better to withhold cuz you’re just gonna feel like shit the next day. What I do when I slip n end up masturbating when im not fully horny just pure out of addiction, is take 2 tylenols after.. and I feel perfectly normal the next day.. no brainfog or anything. I donno if it works for everyone or only for those with high inflammation, as tylenol reduces inflammation, but give it a try.

    #3335

    Jarrod

    Curious that the tylenol is so effective in your case frenchi, but anyway your case is exceptional since you didnt got SE from overmasturbation.

    I will give it a try though (I wont need it because I am NOT masturbating )

    I am 20, and things are getting ugly these days man… I need to check my adrenal cause my insomnia is impossible to handle nowadays.Not to mention that my impotence is like 90%. Could I get a saliva cortisol test from a doctor or it is really expensive?

    How old are you? Maybe you already said to me, but you know, acethylcholine and stuff makes me feel like dumb sometimes I swear…

    Hey maybe is a llittle annoying having these conversations here but is good for future lurking. I have spent hours reading old posts and there is good information there. So I think that is better to write in public.

    My apologies for the off-topic to vestpocket!

    #3337

    Colin

    Well iam already on meds for thyroid, but i cant feel that great.

    to be honest i need things that can help in my adrenals, iam starting a soft protocol with my doctor(mineral , vitamin ,amino ) to see if there will be any improvements, avoiding any meds because iam already suffering from back pain which is severe, taking HC wont be a good idea for now.

    lately i have done a test for antibodies and will see when the results come back.

    #3339

    Rene

    I’m 22. You need to check everything, not just adrenals.. you’ve done the reading already you know how it all works.. get tested for everything possible, figure out your deficiencies, then plan out what medications/supplements you’ll be taking in what order.. that’s it.. in the meantime abstain if you like.

    Insomnia could be because of poor adrenals.. but it could also be because you haven’t ejaculated in so long. I noticed what when I went for a long time without ejaculating I’d usually get up once in the middle of the night, have nightmares, and worse sleep quality in general… but after ejaculating I usually sleep like a baby.

    But its probably cuz of your adrenals. If you can’t get a doctor to run a saliva test order it from ZRT lab online.

    #3341

    Horace

    Well iam already on meds for thyroid, but i cant feel that great.

    to be honest i need things that can help in my adrenals, iam starting a soft protocol with my doctor(mineral , vitamin ,amino ) to see if there will be any improvements, avoiding any meds because iam already suffering from back pain which is severe, taking HC wont be a good idea for now.

    lately i have done a test for antibodies and will see when the results come back.

    I’d recommend experimenting with Pregnenolone for adrenals. Seems to have worked for most people at musclechat. The reason I can’t take it is cuz my DHT and free T are most likely really low (cuz of hard flaccid) and it may end up taking the wrong pathway and make me feel worse.

    I’m gonna try out Cortef low dose though.

    For thyroid I recommend Erfa from online.

    I’ve suffered low back pain for years too. Started out as muscular pain, progressed to spinal pain over the years. Basically I’ve been getting physiotherapy done for the past year and its been helping wonders. The physio releases the spasmed muscles, and then on a daily basis do 2 things – hang on a pullup bar completely relaxed to let spine stretch, and lay on your back, bring one knee to the chest and then exhale and rotate the knee with your hands in the direction of the other leg. So left knee to chest rotates right, and right knee rotates left.

    These two stretches are the best. They keep the back in its natural posture and by hanging or rotating bring all the disks back in alignment. When I had severe pain I’d do these two things 10-20 times a day, as much as I could.. and my back would crack at least once everytime I;d hang on rotate knees. The cracking sound is good, its the disks slipping back in alignment. Nowadays my back cracks a lot less which is good.. means disks are not as loose anymore.. and physio is helpings.

    If you’re just experiencing low back muscular pain then physio should take care of that in a few sessions. Just find a good physical therapist.

    Also sleep in the position where your back feels the best i the morning.. for me its on the side. And never rotate your back in standing or sitting position to make it crack. Its not the same as the laying knee rotations. When you’re sitting and rotating, the lumbar disks don’t rotate and so won’t snap back into alignment.. as when you’re laying and rotating your legs around, the psoas muscle connecting lumbar disks to pelvis will pull the lumber disks with it and snap them back in alignment. Low back pain is usually a combination of thorasic and lumber disks being misaligned so its important.

    #3343

    Irwin

    To everyone who went for at least 2 weeks abstaining:

    Does it worth it?

    Just finished the first week and I can’t guarantee that it’s true but

    flacid size is like 0.1 inch longer and the skin on my face a bit healthier looking.

    After one week I feel like I’m putting TNTs on a bridge pillar to blow it up and

    the more day I go without masturbation the more firepower I put down and

    soon I’ll be putting TNTs around myself and blow everything up by accident including me.

    On some forum someone mentioned that 1 month of abstaining resulted in nothing special.It made things even worse (anger).

    Sure fixing the hormones would have the best effect but does it worth going for 2-3-4 weeks?

    #3345

    Corey

    I´ve been abstaining for two weeks (and in general since months with some relapses) or so and I can tell you that I am always angry. When the labs “forgot” half of my testing I was like ok lets kill them . Maybe is the reaction to a subconscious feeling of “why I cant have orgasms” or maybe the body and the mind need sex or masturbation from time to time.

    The same said my promiscuous ex, “I cant understand how people lives without sex”, she said it made her angry when she was without it for a while.

    #3347

    Roy

    Well iam already on meds for thyroid, but i cant feel that great.

    to be honest i need things that can help in my adrenals, iam starting a soft protocol with my doctor(mineral , vitamin ,amino ) to see if there will be any improvements, avoiding any meds because iam already suffering from back pain which is severe, taking HC wont be a good idea for now.

    lately i have done a test for antibodies and will see when the results come back.

    I’d recommend experimenting with Pregnenolone for adrenals. Seems to have worked for most people at musclechat. The reason I can’t take it is cuz my DHT and free T are most likely really low (cuz of hard flaccid) and it may end up taking the wrong pathway and make me feel worse.

    I’m gonna try out Cortef low dose though.

    For thyroid I recommend Erfa from online.

    I’ve suffered low back pain for years too. Started out as muscular pain, progressed to spinal pain over the years. Basically I’ve been getting physiotherapy done for the past year and its been helping wonders. The physio releases the spasmed muscles, and then on a daily basis do 2 things – hang on a pullup bar completely relaxed to let spine stretch, and lay on your back, bring one knee to the chest and then exhale and rotate the knee with your hands in the direction of the other leg. So left knee to chest rotates right, and right knee rotates left.

    These two stretches are the best. They keep the back in its natural posture and by hanging or rotating bring all the disks back in alignment. When I had severe pain I’d do these two things 10-20 times a day, as much as I could.. and my back would crack at least once everytime I;d hang on rotate knees. The cracking sound is good, its the disks slipping back in alignment. Nowadays my back cracks a lot less which is good.. means disks are not as loose anymore.. and physio is helpings.

    If you’re just experiencing low back muscular pain then physio should take care of that in a few sessions. Just find a good physical therapist.

    Also sleep in the position where your back feels the best i the morning.. for me its on the side. And never rotate your back in standing or sitting position to make it crack. Its not the same as the laying knee rotations. When you’re sitting and rotating, the lumbar disks don’t rotate and so won’t snap back into alignment.. as when you’re laying and rotating your legs around, the psoas muscle connecting lumbar disks to pelvis will pull the lumber disks with it and snap them back in alignment. Low back pain is usually a combination of thorasic and lumber disks being misaligned so its important.

    frenchi how is js/yo ? has the dude cleared all his problems? hrt working well for him?

    #3348

    Dane

    aint going to do anything….i have gone 7 weeks without it…….

    #3349

    Whitney

    Frenchi so if my tests shows low free test and low DHT as well pregnenolone its risky right? Thats a fuckery because, yes, pregnenolone seems like the best way to fight adrenal exhaustion.

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