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  • #45083

    Hershel

    I have found this file a while ago but couldn’t upload it due to an error, i recalled it back when i saw Frenchi’s reply about low B12.

    here is the File (upload it again )

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    Liver phases 1 and 2 detoxification (added 28-Aug-2012)

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    #45317

    Norbert

    A good source of information for Liver detoxificationtoxicity

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    IGF-1 and Insulin resistance

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    #45367

    Gustavo

    You need to find where the metabolic blocks are by proper testing which can be conducted through a nutra eval or proper lab testing through conventional means. The secret is how to interpret it in order to extract the information needed. I have been doing this for 5 years so I know what to look for. I use a certain combination of test as the base.

    #45431

    Hosea

    Liver and Hormones

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    Hormone metabolism in liver

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    Liver and Insulin resistance

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    #45457

    Weldon

    good read on Methylation

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    #45827

    Derrick

    folate or folic acid is to be AVOIDED BY UNDER-METHYLATING PEOPLE-remember. go check on google guys…..i am not a 100% sure though…

    #46029

    Toby

    The source not only says folate, it includes B12 as something to AVOID being an undermethylator (basically I assume I am one, cuz my low methionine)

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    HANS, frenchi, Shell we need thoughts about this. I have ordered folate and B12 and frenchi is taking it right now, perhaps also lee.

    It this true??

    #46040

    Rayford

    rushil

    Wrong you need 5 methyl form not to be avoided.

    #46134

    Gaylord

    You are referring to this?

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    #46343

    Kelvin

    People with altered adrenal function have some imbalances of methylation issues going on. Stress over time will damage DNA which will alter methylation as well as neurotransmitters which help us respond to stress. Since stress has been going on for while the neuortransmitters (predisposition) will help out for as long as they can then the adrenal will kick in to make up. By correcting methylation or ability to handle stress stengthens then this allows for our adrenals to rest eventually coming back on line. This is one of the tricks I use for people on HC getting them off, balancing the stress response mechanism.

    #46627

    Gaston

    I wouldn’t take advice on liver methylation from a website called “alternativementalhealth”

    I donno what needs to be avoided and what doesn’t really..

    It’s my day 5 on Folate, B12, and phosphatidyl serine. Hard flaccid has already improved by like 20%. Flaccid looks a look better.. erections are more full. Still far from great but already a good beginning.

    Sometimes it’s been hard getting out of bed these past days and I got like 10 hours of sleep on average.. and my head feels a bit drowsy in the mornings.. so I think I’m experiencing the “detox reaction”.

    I googled symptoms of liver detox reaction and it listed possible headaches, drowsiness and such, so I think its normal. It’s only supposed to last a week or two. I don’t mind the slight drowsiness and long sleep, but a warning to you guys that are gonna start taking this.. be prepared to go to bed really early to get your 10 hours of sleep or you’ll have a hell of a hard time getting up in the morning.

    Soon I’m gonna double the doses of folate and B12.. then I’m probably gonna experience these symptoms even more.. but all it is is the body flushing toxins out. After a week these symptoms go away and we should be feeling better than before.

    I predict when I double the dose of B12 and folate hard flaccid will be like 30% alleviated. Then get on thyroid meds another 20% improvement. Then get on DHEA, Magnesium, and DIM and that should be it.. no more hard flaccid. Knock on wood though..

    #46928

    Charlie

    Correcting methylation will help thyroid , adrenals as well as other hormones not directly, but indirectly by having a greater response at the cellular level. For people with low thyroid function boosting GSH will help the cells to have a better uptake and modulation at the receptor level. For people who have optimal thyroid in the blood but still have a thyroid cellular deficiency raising gluthione and proper detoxification will help tremendously in these scenerios

    #46987

    Edgardo

    Hope the progress continues frenchi, your my guinea pig.

    What are your temps like? It’d be interesting to see if they change at all while doing this. This is something i plan on doing myself when i try this, via underarm testing.

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    Good read on adrenal fatigue.

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    #47158

    Lucius

    sargonnas

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    HANS, frenchi, Shell we need thoughts about this. I have ordered folate and B12 and frenchi is taking it right now, perhaps also lee.

    It this true??

    The only way to get sure with it is to get the whole VitaminMineral tested thru urine to detect the pathways of liver detoxification and know whether you are truly low or not.

    but in general and from my research as many do over here, folate or folic acid is safe when taken at 1mg a day which is way beyond the recommended.

    the key in here is not to exaggerate in supplementation.

    #47175

    Margarito

    Lee, I lost my damn thermometer. I been meaning to do this but whatever.. going by hard flaccid improvement is another indicator of success .

    I’ll start taking my temps when I start taking stuff for thyroid. By then I’m also gonna start waking up at more consistent times so comparing the temps will be more accurate cuz right now I’m waking up at random times of the day so its not as effective comparing temps at diff times of day.

    #47265

    Patricia

    hardasnails1973

    Defiently, thats what i noticed when i started adding liver cleanse agents

    Milkthistle and arthicoke leaf extract..and my thyroid levels (the free t3,t4)improved gradually.

    I think with more in details search i can reach to something.

    #47336

    Francis

    Shell

    Defiently, thats what i noticed when i started adding liver cleanse agents

    Milkthistle and arthicoke leaf extract..and my thyroid levels (the free t3,t4)improved gradually.

    I think with more in details search i can reach to something.

    #47480

    Neil

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    Fantastic Shell, now I know that a product I was wondering about is the correct. F*ck, im getting near to a huge improvement.

    #47501

    Solomon

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    Keep in mind this, guys. HANS was correct in a lot of thing. Saying that is essential correcting first the GI tract than the liver was one of them. Fucked up that I forgot to buy something for the GI tract

    HANS, if we managed to beging correcting methylation by using B12 and folate or whateve without having in account the screwed GI tract, something bad can happen??

    I know now that at least MY GI tract has to be fucked because of the poor aminoacid absorption and I apology you for my former behaviour, I just thought you were a quack. But quack or not, a lot of things you say have sense. Still, GI tract problems are in my opinion just a consecuence, not a cause.

    #47718

    Jamaal

    Whether cause or effect both issues have to be addressed. This is the methodology I use in my clients. Go after the source and support the other systems. PRoblem with modern medicine treat symptoms not the cause.

    Healing GI tract will reduce endogenous waste which spills over into the liver which causes it to be over burden or stresses. By healing the liver and not focusing on GI tracts its like trying to plug the holes fast enough with on finger hoping another on does not open up (reference Threes stooget scenerio with water leaks). Choke off the source then the liver will so much support in order to heal. Now I am going to be asking all clients about tylenol (acetamenphine) because of a disturbing webinar I saw last night on how it linked to many different disorders (asthma, liver damage, hormone, thyroid, ect) due to its impact on the cyp450 in the liver and NAPQI metabolites on CYPe2a. very scarey….

    #48106

    Vicente

    rushil

    Defiently, thats what i noticed when i started adding liver cleanse agents

    Milkthistle and arthicoke leaf extract..and my thyroid levels (the free t3,t4)improved gradually.

    I think with more in details search i can reach to something.

    Increasing GSH (balancing the liver and GI) increases cellular response to thyroid and whole host of other hormones (including testosterone and neurotransmitters) !! by affecting cellular communication between the synapses.

    Spending 10 hours a week in research and watching webinars from Dr only accessible sites does have its advantages

    #48340

    Lino

    HAN I got a question for you:

    I started taking vit B12 and folate. Would it be effective to add in Milk Thristle right now? or would milk thristle not really help in boosting Glutathione faster?

    #48497

    Royal

    Hey frenchi,

    ”Would it be effective to add in Milk Thristle right now? or would milk thristle not really help in boosting Glutathione faster?”

    I researched this a little when i was putting my methylation regimen together. The best i could find on this was from a book, Cracking the Metabolic Code: 9 Keys to Optimal Health, where it states ”add this herb to your anti-oxidant program before the intensive phase is undertaken. I’m not sure what that means for someone who’s already started on B12/folate though.

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    There’s a few other supps listed in that link that may help too.

    If you do decide on using Milk Thistle, then this one looks decent enough, it’s the one i’m ordering. 30:1 Extract

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    NAC looks like it may be worth using as part of detox aswell. It stimulates the production of Glutathione.

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    #48656

    Esteban

    Hey guys HANS says that using detoxing agents like milk thistle, artichoke etc has to be done only if you are sure that you gi tract its ok.

    How to know that? If you rarely have gases,uncomfortable digestions, bloating or stomache your gi tract should be ok.

    This will be my next attempt for liver detox:

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    And this milk thistle looks great

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    #48838

    Carey

    Ya I don’t really have gases or uncomfortable digestion and my immune system is holding up strong this past eyarm so I’m gonna assume I don’t have GI problems.

    Thanks Lee.

    I forgot NAC even exists. I’m gonna add low dose milk thistle and NAC. I think it’ll be fine if I throw them in now cuz the detox process takes like a month anyway so now would probably be the right time to add milk thistle and NAC.

    I still feel slightly brain fogged though since I started the b12 and folate and still have a hard time getting up in the morning. I hope its just the detox reaction. we’ll see..

    #48939

    Kory

    sargonnas

    You support the liver while detoxifying the gut,

    I use NAC and other few herbs and recommendation depending upon individual case.

    #49144

    Jose

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    #49184

    Luis

    “NAC is a naturally occurring amino sugar and is a form of cysteine which has been demonstrated to facilitate the SHORT TERM cellular detoxification of alcohol, tobacco smoke…”

    NAC is needed to raise the glutathione levels.

    This is it guys! Haven’t coughed or had tar come up ever since quit smoking 2 freaking months ago.Not even increased appetite,no healthier skin.Nothing!!!!!! The body can’t fucking detox and the liver is clogged up!!! This is it!

    The adrenals,thyroid,liver….all clogged up.

    If it’s true for you too Sargonnas we’re lucky to be alive man.

    Can you check the gluthatione levels?

    #49317

    Issac

    Lets hope this liver theory is the correct one,man… Possibly would be my last shot.

    I feel as if the floor were magnetic and I had a huge magnet stuck in the chest.

    #49355

    Pasquale

    Hey guys

    I bought the things for methylation but that has to be done AFTER or BEFORE taking milk thistle etc?

    I mean, taking methyl B12 and folate has to be done after, at the same time or before taking detox agents?

    I runned out of money already so for now cant buy milk thistle or NAC…

    Bought too much Cordyceps and things like that. I believe they can help a lot but now I realize they are not crucial.

    #49464

    Micheal

    I’m not 100% sure but I think the best thing to do is:

    start with 800 mg folate and 2.5 mg methyl B12. You don’t wanna start with 1600 and 5 mg cuz that might be too much for the body to handle right away and the detox symptoms might be pretty bad.

    So first week take 800 mg folate, 2.5 mg B12. Then the second week switch to 1600 mg folate and 5 mg B12. Stay on this dose for however long you feel needed. Eventually you can back down to 800 and 2.5 and then stop taking them altogether if you feel much better.

    I think the best time to add milk thistle and NAC is a few days after switching to the 1600 mg and 5 mg doses. That’s when most of the detox is gonna take place so these supps are gonna speed it up. I think if you add them on the day you switch to 1600 mg and 5 mg, you may feel a bad detox reaction that day. But I could be wrong.

    Also keep in mind your liver might not be as clogged as mine, so you may not need such high doses at all. These doses were given to me by Chris when he looked over my results.

    Indicators of my very clogged liver -> bad hard flaccid, very high E2, very low methionine and other minerals to do with liver.

    If one’s hard flaccid is not that bad and E2 is not that high then perhaps the 800 mg and 2.5 mg doses will do the job and he may not need 1600 mg and 5 mg. This is just my common sense, not based on anything I read. So for those who are gonna start liver methylation blindly (without running a vitamin mineral amino acid test and E2 test) then go by how you feel. If when you up the dose to 1600mg and 5 mg you start feeling like shit and it lasts for many days then you probably don’t need such high dose.

    Detox reaction symptoms are supposed to be unpleasant, like brainfog, possible headache, difficulty waking up.. but they’re not supposed to be really bad like nausea, puking, feeling bad all day..

    So if you feel pretty bad day after day then its probably your body telling you to lower the dose or maybe you don’t need those supps at all.

    An indicator that the supps are working (for me at least) is hard flaccid is supposed to get slightly better pretty soon after starting. I don’t even have hard flaccid anymore, its rubbery flaccid all day now. Flaccid is bigger than before and more squishy. For those with no hard flaccid I don’t know what other indicators to go by, cuz so far I’m not feeling any different than since I started, but hopefully I will soon. I guess as long as you don’t feel progressively worse, keep taking the supps and see where it gets you.

    #49519

    Miles

    frenchiman

    dude i feel difficulty in getting up and sometimes wake up in d middle of the night feeling like shit. is it normal?

    #49712

    Cedric

    definitely not normal. Its probably your low cortisol that’s making it difficult to wake up. I used to have that, but since started vit C, B100, D.. feel it much less.

    I donno about waking up in the middle of the night.. probably low cortisol too.

    #49747

    Alejandro

    Rushil I agree with frenchi. Could be low cortisol what makes difficult to get up (I have this symptom and the lowest cortisol in the morning )

    About getting up feeling like shit, could be a peak on cortisol, or imbalances in neuros like GABA, or even melatonin.

    Got my GABA results guys. On urine. They are scaringly low…

    #49844

    Nick

    frenchi,

    ”I don’t even have hard flaccid anymore, its rubbery flaccid all day now. Flaccid is bigger than before and more squishy.”

    Good to hear

    What about erections.

    Are your erections still to hard so you can barely move them from left to right?

    Did you used to suffer from some girth loss, like your corpus cavernosum dosn’t expand properly, thus causing your erect penis to not inflate as it should?

    Is it inflating (erect) like it should now?

    Keep us updated buddy, i have my plan all set up and ready to order, just need the cash for it now lol.

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    #49887

    Kerry

    Hey lee good info there, I have added gluthatione to the liver plan

    #49950

    Adrian

    ”Hey lee good info there, I have added gluthatione to the liver plan”

    I’m not really sure about the efficacy of supplementing with gluthatione directly. Research suggests that glutathione taken orally is not well absorbed across the gastrointestinal tract. The body cannot absorb supplemental glutathione. The body assembles GSH (glutathione) by using three amino acids: cysteine, glutamine, and glutamic acid, so supplementing with those may be more effective. Your better off just using the normal protocol at first though (MB12/Folate) If you use to much at the same time and it dos’nt work, or makes you ill, then you wont know whats causing the bad reaction.

    I have also come across a thread today, where a guy is saying that using NAC and/or Glutathione while using MB12 and folate ”will induce b12 and folate deficiencies rapidly and severely.” Iv’e posted the link so give it a read. I know frenchi said he was going to use NAC, so it may be worth him reading the thread too.

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    So as i said before, just stick with the basic detox supps to begin with. Then add precursors in a little later maybe, that way you’ll know if your having an adverse reaction to the precursers/gluthatione or not.

    #50146

    Hayden

    Lee is right.Be careful with NAC!

    Also,what are detox reactions? Since I upped my dose of B complex the skin on my face started to peel.Also was very hot and irritable to the touch but it went away after stopping B-s.

    Sadly,the skin peeling is still going on.Detox or allergic reaction?

    #50159

    Ruben

    Thanks a lot for the advice again, lee.

    F*ck, I know I should know this on my own but my state of mind is worsening every day. Sometimes I feel like I would get up from the chair and with nothing special in mind walk silently off a window. And my family is gonna broke anytime… very tough times.

    Glutamine, low, glutamic acid, low… yeah I think I fit in this gluthatione theory.

    #50221

    Jerrell

    interesting comments

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    #50324

    Korey

    rushil

    Defiently, thats what i noticed when i started adding liver cleanse agents

    Milkthistle and arthicoke leaf extract..and my thyroid levels (the free t3,t4)improved gradually.

    I think with more in details search i can reach to something.

    Increasing GSH (balancing the liver and GI) increases cellular response to thyroid and whole host of other hormones (including testosterone and neurotransmitters) !! by affecting cellular communication between the synapses.

    Spending 10 hours a week in research and watching webinars from Dr only accessible sites does have its advantages

    #50390

    Tracy

    HAN I got a question for you:

    I started taking vit B12 and folate. Would it be effective to add in Milk Thristle right now? or would milk thristle not really help in boosting Glutathione faster?

    #50738

    Curt

    Hey frenchi,

    ”Would it be effective to add in Milk Thristle right now? or would milk thristle not really help in boosting Glutathione faster?”

    I researched this a little when i was putting my methylation regimen together. The best i could find on this was from a book, Cracking the Metabolic Code: 9 Keys to Optimal Health, where it states ”add this herb to your anti-oxidant program before the intensive phase is undertaken. I’m not sure what that means for someone who’s already started on B12/folate though.

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    There’s a few other supps listed in that link that may help too.

    If you do decide on using Milk Thistle, then this one looks decent enough, it’s the one i’m ordering. 30:1 Extract

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    NAC looks like it may be worth using as part of detox aswell. It stimulates the production of Glutathione.

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    #50754

    Terence

    Hey guys HANS says that using detoxing agents like milk thistle, artichoke etc has to be done only if you are sure that you gi tract its ok.

    How to know that? If you rarely have gases,uncomfortable digestions, bloating or stomache your gi tract should be ok.

    This will be my next attempt for liver detox:

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    And this milk thistle looks great

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    #50873

    Pat

    Ya I don’t really have gases or uncomfortable digestion and my immune system is holding up strong this past eyarm so I’m gonna assume I don’t have GI problems.

    Thanks Lee.

    I forgot NAC even exists. I’m gonna add low dose milk thistle and NAC. I think it’ll be fine if I throw them in now cuz the detox process takes like a month anyway so now would probably be the right time to add milk thistle and NAC.

    I still feel slightly brain fogged though since I started the b12 and folate and still have a hard time getting up in the morning. I hope its just the detox reaction. we’ll see..

    #50932

    Sanford

    sargonnas

    You support the liver while detoxifying the gut,

    I use NAC and other few herbs and recommendation depending upon individual case.

    #51006

    Scot

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    #51123

    Roderick

    “NAC is a naturally occurring amino sugar and is a form of cysteine which has been demonstrated to facilitate the SHORT TERM cellular detoxification of alcohol, tobacco smoke…”

    NAC is needed to raise the glutathione levels.

    This is it guys! Haven’t coughed or had tar come up ever since quit smoking 2 freaking months ago.Not even increased appetite,no healthier skin.Nothing!!!!!! The body can’t fucking detox and the liver is clogged up!!! This is it!

    The adrenals,thyroid,liver….all clogged up.

    If it’s true for you too Sargonnas we’re lucky to be alive man.

    Can you check the gluthatione levels?

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