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  • #16831

    Ali

    I was experimenting with masturbation and came to a conclusion that will help a little bit pois.

    Basically my (note: my case,you can have different one but give this a try) POIS comes from overstimulation.

    Tried to masturbate using some material that not necesserely would make me want to masturbate (for example very fat woman) and ejaculate without overstimulating myself by “oh boy,I’m gonna make the biggest load of my life for this goddess” thinking like this.

    Let me tell you I tried doing this “neutral,I don’t care” masturbation ejaculation 2 times before and it makes a huge difference in POIS.

    Overstimulating: Parkinson’s hand shaking,blurry vision,blood sugar drop,brain fog,heavy fatigue and crazy sleepiness

    Without overstimulation: NO PARKINSON’S!!!!,feeling 4-5% of a brain fog,feeling some sleepiness.After 10 minutes I could continue my day where I left off.

    Clearly the dopamine,prolactin connection gets really fucked up if you fully enjoy your masturbation or sex and we have fucked up neuros so I recommend you to masturbate this time with an [MOD EDIT: URL Removed] okay face,don’t let yourself overstimulated,don’t try to squeeze out a huge load just simply……. have a masturbation and tell me if it lessens your POIS like it did mine.

    Also this truly explains why I had severe burning in my penis when one time I didn’t used any material (computer,tv screen) to masturbate but only my FANTASY.You see,for some reason the brain is too sensitive during masturbation and ejaculation.Next time I will try this shit without completely zero stimulant (no monitor,no fantasy) just do it like it was a boring job.Hope this helps you when you are in a really stressful part of your life (high school,university,job interview,trauma etc.) and you feel you can’t go without masturbation and sex then remember: no overstimulation.

    There is another way that you can stop porn addiction, chronic masturbation and recover your sexual health without fighting it with willpower. With the right mindset you won't even relapse. You can learn more about the recovery program here

    #16832

    Emil

    Just did the job with full flavor and fantasy.Now having Parkinson’s shaking and visual disturbances.See I told you.

    #16833

    Bryant

    Its all about the dopamine. When you get overaroused and seek for the Ultimate Wank the side effects are worse since you have messed with higher amounts of dopamine.

    #16834

    Joshua

    So basically I was watching youtube fetish videos I can’t deny it.

    For the past 6-7 days I DIDN’T HAVE POIS.

    But yesterday I masturbated much longer than average,I was much more hyped to ejaculate and this lead me to have POIS again.

    Not to forget that on those 6 days I took FISH OIL but yesterday I did not.

    I just don’t want to mess up the Omega 6/Omega 3 ratio.

    The reason for this is prolactin goes too high after ejaculation and dopamine goes too low.

    Did you know that by trying out prolactin blocker does some nasty shit like:

    “guys

    cabergoline does work in lowering prolactine but

    here in europe is banned because of possible severe heart valves side effects”

    This shit is not easy.It’s better idea to boost dopamine with L-Dopa and PRAY that it won’t shoot up prolactin levels sky high.

    #16835

    Darren

    My POIS symptoms are just as severe any way I masturbate. I actually masturbate before bed every night now, because if I sleep afterwards it’ll heal a lot of the symptoms, but if I do it during the day It’ll be far worse so I often experience masturbating “as a task” similar to the way you describe instead of doing it for enjoyment, but the symptoms for me are just as bad.

    #16838

    Mervin

    Have you tried the “original” remedy for POIS? Niacin 1 hour before masturbation?

    If you did I think what you really need to try is mucuna pruriens.

    Yet POIS could be a semen allergy I REALLY think every single symptom you experience during POIS is simply too low dopamine and sky high prolactin.

    Every supplement that you would take is just a temporary solution.

    The best idea is to supplement with mucuna pruriens.It boosts dopamine therefore lowers prolactin.

    There are also prolactin blocker medications which have side effects like possible heart failures so I would stay faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from them.

    If you are looking for a possible “cure” rather than a treatment you should follow the updates on this forum.Sooner or later we will find the answers to our questions.Look into the thread “Is over-masturbation a reason why we are here?” and check out all the links I posted there.Read it from A to Z and you will get the picture why is POIS happening to you.

    #16839

    Carlton

    I have tried niacin and it does seem to work well. I still have more experimenting to do with it in order to find out exactly how much it can help me.

    I’ll add mucuna pruriens to my list of things I’m planning on trying. I’ve had positive results with slow release ritalin which also raises dopamine. I have some questions about it.

    What dosage do you take? How often do you take it? Do you take it before orgasm? What symptoms does it primarily relieve for you?

    I primarily visit the POIS forums, but I’ll try to start reading the posts here more often as well. I’ve been spending a lot of time attempting to read through the entire gigantic POIS thread at the naked scientists site so I may decide to finish that up first. It’s interesting how a health forum can read like a good book when your life depends on it.

    #16840

    Brad

    I was like “oh,ok niacin seems to work for these guys,they must be deficient in it” but then came this blood sugar theory and did google niacin and blood sugar.

    Guess what.

    It raises blood sugar!

    “Adrenal fatigue and diabetes often go hand in hand…”

    “Both stress and adrenal fatigue can contribute to hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) because of the key roles the adrenal hormones epinephrine, norepinephrine and cortisol play in blood sugar regulation. Stress (and the anticipation of stress) signals the body to raise blood sugar (glucose) levels in order to generate energy to respond to the stress. If the body cannot meet this higher demand for blood glucose, hypoglycemia can result. Stress may also provoke blood sugar swings that can have a cumulative effect on the body’s ability to maintain blood sugar balance, and aggravate hypoglycemic symptoms.”

    Don’t forget that the pancreas can also contribute to blood sugar problems!!!!!!!!

    #16841

    Sid

    I just read an article on niacin and how it is thought it may be helpful for type 1 diabetes because of it being able to temporarily stop autoimmune attacks. I believe this property of niacin or more likely the niacin flush is what helps me. Also the effect it may have on histamine is something that likely helps me. It’s true that niacin is also thought to raise blood sugar.

    A few nights ago I had a niacin flush before bed with 300mg of niacin after fasting for 1/2 the day and the next day I was able to do hard exercise including some sprinting for roughly an hour. Normally my joint pain and fatigue limits me to only being able to walk for about an hour each day. This is the effect niacin normally has on me so I’m glad to know that it continues to work for me. I limit my use of it to once a week at most to avoid developing a tolerance to the flush and to avoid any chance of liver damage.

    #16845

    Ashley

    People are looking for the magic pill and they are not.going to.find it. Only way you are going to get better is to evaluate the whole scenerio with all components and how they all interact. Then and only.then will you make head way into regaining your health and well being .

    #16855

    Jamal

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    I can’t stop copying links like this!

    At the end of the day we aren’t controlling ourselves.We don’t think for

    ourselves.Hormones do that for us but since we have evolved so much

    and became much smarter than animals,we now think that we are little

    gods on this planet.

    NOT!

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    #16861

    Tomas

    Just had a great conversation with one of the actually researchers who have published papers on pub med about Dopamine and RDS as well as gene expression. The reason why people keep relapsing is due to gene expression in the DRD2 on the A1 allele which causes a down regulation of receptors to dopamine which encourages high risk behavior to stimulate dopamine response. I am working on finding a solution to these equation with I may have come up with. The research present may also help people post finasteride with drawl as well.

    #16862

    Clayton

    HANS,if that is true then YOU are our Messiah!

    Wish you luck bro!

    #16864

    Herschel

    Steve I have just about every symptoms of low dopamine on that site you posted

    #16865

    Michael

    as noted 75% of Asian have the gene present of the drd2 which is associated with addictive behavior. This goes back to reward deficiency syndrome and low dopamine levels or worse off dopamine resistance. Asian have a bad habit of gambling believe or not. You just do not hear about it.

    #16867

    Leopoldo

    I’m Asian lol, tell me more. I don’t have a gambling problem though, hate risk taking.

    #16868

    Miguel

    Steve and I agree in one thing. He would say the same about this subject. Long time aho we figured out that our behaviour was NOT normal. In fact, there had to be a reason because why we got ADDICTED to almost everything that made us happy or pleasurable in our lifes, and a reason why we havent been able yet to completely avoid masturbation. The answer was genetics, fucked up genetics that make your dopamine or dopamine sensivity lower than other persons. Well, im not 100% sure of this, but genetics are surely involved in the picture.

    #16871

    Patricia

    More its the stress which expresses these genes not the genes them selves

    https://wiki.brown.edu/confluence/download/attachments/74844947/Nobel-D2AdditionReview.pdf

    #16872

    Leandro

    In fact:

    Quote:

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    Any clue on how treating dopamine genetic disorders?

    #16873

    Myles

    Hey Sargonnas

    Iam aware that people who are dopamine,serotoinin,acetlycholine brain dominant are attracted to what they are intersted in.

    But once things are not in order, and as an indivual you start to indulge in unhealty behaviours things may change and youll become prone to what you get addicted to, to reduce your stress or to compensate your minor slips and failures.

    and we are a tru samples, we invested our precious time with rubbish and others benefited from every second,and this can add more pressure on us mental and physical…thats why we lose hope or get depressed,insomanic and others since more pressure and more stress exhaust the body

    I have doubt that we can deal or treat genetics,because the current types of doctors are ignorant in the thyroid adrenal relation and we barely find people who understand it so i believe that it will be long mission.

    #16876

    Parker

    I know man, I have just come back from another private doctor. He charged my POOR AND IGNORANT parents with 200 $ just to say that “the dr mouton diagnostic its quackery, those supplements are useless and ALL your tests results are compeltely fine and healthy”

    He have also reciped me the typical yada-yada standar endo tests (useless for him but moderately interesting for us )

    HE IS ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS DOCTORS IN THE WHOLE REGION AND EVEN IN THE COUNTRY

    WTF MAN??

    All those idiots will suck our huge recovered schlong. F*ck it indeed, I want to become a naturopath or researcher, professionally. I cannot do it worse than these dickheads.

    The only reason im not making my move its money, because they are holding it. But slowly are getting aware of how superior I am to most of doctors at least in MY case, so we will get there… We will get there. Genetics, methylation, chelation,MLM pregnenolone,colostrum,laterosporus,boulardii… yeah.

    #16882

    Rod

    Working on that issue as we speak..I got a few clients getting ready to try something used for addictions which should get same response of the DRD2 gene and dopamine resistance.

    #16883

    Trey

    Dont forget to come back and tell to the boys if that works. Keep us posted.

    #16884

    Bret

    I’m 1/2 asian, but appear full. I also have no problems with gambling and in fact I’ve only gambled once or twice with my friends. I’ve always had a firm belief that success should come from skill and not luck.

    I do tend to get addicted to videogames and other electronic entertainment, but I have surprising resistance to drug addiction as I’ve found with klonopin. From most of the accounts I’ve read those who take klonopin regularly often develop tolerance and addiction, but I’ve avoided both. I took it for 2 months carefully for my job and in the months since I have only taken it 2 times as an experiment to see how it affects my other symptoms besides anxiety even though I have a decent sized stash. I also have a bunch of beers that I only drink when I need a little extra help getting sleep so I’m definitely not an alcoholic.

    #16885

    Stephan

    Its more then gambling, but rather about addictions in general from wacking off, to playing video games, to other strange fetishes. I still would find out why you need drugs in the first place. With proper testing and a client’s psychiatrist we are working through natural interventions to get people off these drugs. Actually the success rate is extremely high…

    #16890

    Stuart

    I went 7 days without masturbation.In this 7 days I made a new friend,started cycling in the mountains,started gaining self-confidence,started flirting with a girl and do weight training at home,maintained positivity through all days.

    Yesterday I masturbated too times.

    Today I had hypoglycemia all day despite eating the right foods,was very irritable and the worst of all I have no mood to go cycling or flirt with girls,been yelling at my Mother and started breaking things in my own room.

    In the past 1 hour I was thinking about suicide,my prolactin are probably sky high.

    WE NEED A CURE PLEASE,I BEG YOU END THIS SUFFERING!!!!!!!

    #16891

    Newton

    I am working as fast as I can trust me on that as you can see its much more complex then once orginally thought when you start factor in genetics into the equation…

    #16892

    Jasper

    hardasnails, what do you think about the autoimmune theory for POIS?

    The way I see it an autoimmune reaction to semen triggered by ejaculation could affect any part or system of the body including neurotransmitters and hormones. Also over time I think those autoimmune reactions could cause lasting damage that would create chronic symptoms.

    It would also explain why the majority of men are able to masturbate as much as they want and get no negative symptoms.

    #16894

    Robin

    arcus

    I was also wondering if the damage is permanent or temporary? I think the autoimmune reactions can be partly or totally triggered by ejaculation.

    I was wondering if some or the majority of men really don’t feel any negative symptoms after masturbation. They could be in denial or maybe the symptoms don’t appear until later.

    I hope HANS can chime in on this one. I’d like to know what he thinks.

    #16896

    Luther

    The theory of SEMEN triggering an autoinmune response in men needs some more explanation and research, thats for sure. At first, it seems like a wild idea. In any case, the symptoms I have seen in Vincent for example, match with an autoinmune process. Surely theres inflmmation going there.

    #16897

    Seth

    https://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/test-page/orgasm-induced-catecholamine-imbalance-via-pituitary-dysfunction

    A guy posted this on poiscenter.

    Read it!

    By the way let’s ditch the “taking Tyrosine” and “dopamine inrcreasing medicine” idea because they come with side effects and second (you won’t believe this) you will build tolerance to L-Tyrosine in 2 weeks!!! Crazy!

    Wanted to say that we only need to treat the semen allergy because abstaining for a while will elevate dopamine but when I abstained for 25 days the best I have felt was on days 5-13.

    Day 14-16 was like a downhill and on the remaining days I felt the same.

    So with this bad english skills I’ll try to explain.

    A normal human feels 100% because of optimal dopamine.

    When I get POIS I’m like 10% functional and when I abstain for weeks I will feel good but nowhere near 100%.Maybe like 50%.

    There has to be something that contributes to low dopamine.

    Can hypothyroidism cause that?

    Also, isn’t high prolactin after ejaculation a signal from our brain that the body needs a rest because it’s too weak (adrenals)? Don’t you think it stays elevated for many days for a reason?

    #16902

    Efrain

    Steve, I am always hesitant to take any drugs because of any side effects they may cause. Sometimes the cure is worse than the problem itself.

    If abstinence is working, but you don’t feel 100%, but merely 50%, and when you masturbate, you feel 10%, why stop? Simple mathematics shows that feeling 50% normal is better than 10% normal.

    I have also noticed diet plays a role and it appears to play a bigger role than I originally thought. Through your diet you should try to feed your body with all the necessary vitamins and minerals as much as you possibly can. I find that if I have too much coffee (or caffeine) that I will begin to feel anxiety, unless my mind is focusing on something.

    I don’t know too much about the hormone prolactin. I think it is bad if your body has excessive amounts of prolactin, also I think it does stick with you for days, if not weeks. I read in some article your hormones need at least two weeks after masturbation or sex before they can go back to normal.

    #16904

    Hunter

    Came up with a new theory,this is for HANS:

    Is it possible that when a person has adrenal fatigue or adrenal insufficency and has a stressful time masturbating or having sex (caught by parent masturbating as a child for example) that prolactin will shoot up so high TO WARN YOU that you are under heavy stress and it is bad for your body?

    #16905

    Lyle

    Here,the zinc theory:

    You ejaculate and it contains zinc.Ignorant doctors will tell you that the small amount won’t cause you these effects.

    Yes,but what if you have a rare blood disorder that won’t enables your body to make vitamin B6 and Zinc? It’s name is Pyrrole disorder and it’s sufferers have a lot more shit going on like mthfr,leaky gut,food sensitivies,thyroid and adrenal problems etc. never ending list basically.

    I think a combination of adrenal fatigue,insufficiency + pyrrole disorder COULD DEFINETLY BE THE CAUSE OF POIS…

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    #16907

    Randolph

    which goes back to PTSD

    #16908

    Del

    I’m gonna post theories till we find out all possibilities for a person to suffer POIS.

    Ok,so during ejaculation of us,heavy porn and masturbation addicts,we are having neurotransmitter over-excitement and the brain immediately rings the bells as to “slow down boy!” and shoots up prolactin in the sky so you stop stressing your body with frequent ejaculation.

    I want to be the guinea pig so much to try to solve this.My guess is that you are sitting in front of a screen or lying in your bed and heavily focusing on something imaginary.

    I think the remedy for the neurotransmitter over-excitement would be to have sex with a girl you love.

    When you have sex with a girl you love you think about how to make her happy how to satisfy her and while you masturbate you heavily focus on how to satisfy yourself and overloading your brain resulting in “dopamine-crisis”.

    #16910

    Richie

    HCR.

    #16914

    Robert

    NEW THEORY:

    SSRI induced hypersexuallity.

    Simple,Paxil made me become heavily obsessed with sex and women.I won’t lie by saying I’m thinking about having sex with a women,watching them on TV (right now tennis) and so on.

    Quitting porn DOES NOT HELP it.

    Ofcourse if you think about it 24/7 you overstimulate your brain and prolactin will go “hold on son,we’re pulling you out before you hurt yourself”.

    This is especially true when you are near having an orgasm,because Parkinson’s hand shaking doesn’t start after ejaculation,it starts before it,when I’m seconds away to have orgasm.

    My future plan is to try P5P.I’m really afraid of having that fucking pyrrole disorder with all those genetic mutant people sensitive and reaction to every kind of shit, that is not a way to live a life and I’d rather die..

    No doctors accept it as a real disease in Europe and it’s treatment begins with wasting hundreds of dollars every month.Now you know why I don’t want to have it.

    I have no dream recall also…

    We will see.

    So in a single sentence I think serotonine could be the key for POIS.At least for PSSD sufferers with POIS.

    #16916

    Sean

    Hormones make you obsessed with sex and women. Simple and Paxil could contribute to it, but it is natural for men to have attraction for women, etc.

    You need to keep your brain preoccupied. That could mean joining a sports team, getting a part-time job, getting a hobby, or further your education. Whatever it is, you need to do something to get your mind off sex and women. Do something productive.

    You can beat this disease or disorder. Don’t give up!

    btw, if you think serotonin could be the start of a cure, then there are some things you can do to increase your hormone levels of serotonin. You could exercise, change your diet, and get a good nights rest. These are only a few suggestions. You can read more about increase the serotonin levels by clicking the following link:

    [MOD EDIT: URL Removed]

    #16917

    Ronald

    a woman this :

    “I’ve read that in the “olden days” mauve factor (kryptopyrroles) was eliminated by large doses of niacinamide. So that makes me wonder: Since excess pyroles are causing zinc & B6 deficiencies and pyroles can be eliminated by taking niacinamide, why don’t we just block the pyroles with niacinamide and stop taking all this freaking zinc & B6 once our deficiencies are remedied?? (In other words, I’m sure there’s a logical explanation, but I’d sure like to know what it is.)”

    So you start using your brain.POIS sufferers take niacin/niacinamide to make them have greatly reduced POIS symptoms.

    When you ejaculate you shoot out zinc too AND porn lowers your dopamine levels and when your dopamine is low your serotonine will be low too and if you want to take dopamine it will further lower serotonine but if you want to take serotonine it will elevate dopamine too.

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT CONVERTS TO SEROTONINE???

    YES,YOU GUESSED RIGHT! VITAMIN B6 AND P5P!

    #16923

    Jefferey

    I know man, I have just come back from another private doctor. He charged my POOR AND IGNORANT parents with 200 $ just to say that “the dr mouton diagnostic its quackery, those supplements are useless and ALL your tests results are compeltely fine and healthy”

    He have also reciped me the typical yada-yada standar endo tests (useless for him but moderately interesting for us )

    HE IS ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS DOCTORS IN THE WHOLE REGION AND EVEN IN THE COUNTRY

    WTF MAN??

    All those idiots will suck our huge recovered schlong. F*ck it indeed, I want to become a naturopath or researcher, professionally. I cannot do it worse than these dickheads.

    The only reason im not making my move its money, because they are holding it. But slowly are getting aware of how superior I am to most of doctors at least in MY case, so we will get there… We will get there. Genetics, methylation, chelation,MLM pregnenolone,colostrum,laterosporus,boulardii… yeah.

    #16926

    Shane

    Working on that issue as we speak..I got a few clients getting ready to try something used for addictions which should get same response of the DRD2 gene and dopamine resistance.

    #16933

    Lucius

    Dont forget to come back and tell to the boys if that works. Keep us posted.

    #16934

    Owen

    I’m 1/2 asian, but appear full. I also have no problems with gambling and in fact I’ve only gambled once or twice with my friends. I’ve always had a firm belief that success should come from skill and not luck.

    I do tend to get addicted to videogames and other electronic entertainment, but I have surprising resistance to drug addiction as I’ve found with klonopin. From most of the accounts I’ve read those who take klonopin regularly often develop tolerance and addiction, but I’ve avoided both. I took it for 2 months carefully for my job and in the months since I have only taken it 2 times as an experiment to see how it affects my other symptoms besides anxiety even though I have a decent sized stash. I also have a bunch of beers that I only drink when I need a little extra help getting sleep so I’m definitely not an alcoholic.

    #16939

    Rick

    Its more then gambling, but rather about addictions in general from wacking off, to playing video games, to other strange fetishes. I still would find out why you need drugs in the first place. With proper testing and a client’s psychiatrist we are working through natural interventions to get people off these drugs. Actually the success rate is extremely high…

    #16940

    Porfirio

    I went 7 days without masturbation.In this 7 days I made a new friend,started cycling in the mountains,started gaining self-confidence,started flirting with a girl and do weight training at home,maintained positivity through all days.

    Yesterday I masturbated too times.

    Today I had hypoglycemia all day despite eating the right foods,was very irritable and the worst of all I have no mood to go cycling or flirt with girls,been yelling at my Mother and started breaking things in my own room.

    In the past 1 hour I was thinking about suicide,my prolactin are probably sky high.

    WE NEED A CURE PLEASE,I BEG YOU END THIS SUFFERING!!!!!!!

    #16943

    Anthony

    I am working as fast as I can trust me on that as you can see its much more complex then once orginally thought when you start factor in genetics into the equation…

    #16944

    Ferdinand

    hardasnails, what do you think about the autoimmune theory for POIS?

    The way I see it an autoimmune reaction to semen triggered by ejaculation could affect any part or system of the body including neurotransmitters and hormones. Also over time I think those autoimmune reactions could cause lasting damage that would create chronic symptoms.

    It would also explain why the majority of men are able to masturbate as much as they want and get no negative symptoms.

    #16945

    Yong

    arcus

    I was also wondering if the damage is permanent or temporary? I think the autoimmune reactions can be partly or totally triggered by ejaculation.

    I was wondering if some or the majority of men really don’t feel any negative symptoms after masturbation. They could be in denial or maybe the symptoms don’t appear until later.

    I hope HANS can chime in on this one. I’d like to know what he thinks.

    #16946

    Derick

    The theory of SEMEN triggering an autoinmune response in men needs some more explanation and research, thats for sure. At first, it seems like a wild idea. In any case, the symptoms I have seen in Vincent for example, match with an autoinmune process. Surely theres inflmmation going there.

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