interesting Post about PE and precum from MESO

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  • #11335

    Philip

    aight so the other day I came across this post from someone on Meso. This person suffered from precum leakage as well as PE. He posted his neurotransmitter results.

    Urine Test

    Time 9:20AM

    Epinephrine (g/gCr) 8.0 (8 12)

    Norepinephrine (g/gCr) 53.5 (35-50)

    Dopamine (g/gCr) 188.5 (110 175)

    Serotonin (g/gCr) 109.2 (150 200)

    Glycine (umol/gCr) 75.5 (200 400 )

    Taurine (umol/gCr) 154.4 (150 550)

    GABA (umol/gCr) 1.2 (1.5 4 .0)

    Glutamine (umol/gCr) 217.6 (150 500)

    Glutamate (umol/gCr) 16.2 (10 35)

    Aspartic Acid (mol/gCr) 22.6 (20 40)

    PEA (nmol/gCr) 213.3 (175 450)

    Agmatine (ug/gCr) 3.6 (1-2)

    Histamine (ug/gCr) 20.4 (10-20)

    Creatinine (mg/dL) 262.5 ( N/A )

    So as you can see his results are a typical SE case. That being low serotonin, GABA, taurine ,glycine.

    He also has very high norepinephrine, Dopamine, histamime which are all factors for fast ejaculation and the secretion of precum upon arousal.

    He went on to say that he usually ejaculated fast, within the first minute or two of sex.

    However….when he takes cialis and drinks alcohol (in his case glass or two of wine) hes able to go for up to 3 hours!

    Now I dono about you guys but that sounds like a pretty big improvement, not to mention its clear that it came about from him manipulating his biochemistry, albeit in a temporary and somewhat inconvenient way(not that drinking is bad just you cant expect to drink everytime ur gona F*ck )

    HERE are some exerpts from an article online explaining how alcohol is a central nervous system depresant and why in his case it helps with sexual problems.

    Treatment for high levels of norepinephrine, as found in anxiety and panic disorders, involves decreasing neurotransmitter levels directly or using medications which increase another neurotransmitter that inhibits or decreases the action of norepinephrine. One of those inhibiting neurotransmitters is GABA, also known as Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid.

    Low levels of GABA make it easy for the brain to develop seizures which is why seizures are part of the withdrawal syndrome for many substances that work with GABA such as alcohol and tranquilizers (benzodiazepines – Xanax, Ativan, Librium, Valium, etc.). Substances that artificially maintain a high level of GABA, when stopped, create a dramatic drop in GABA levels, thus creating the risk for withdrawal seizures due to the chemical instability that is created.

    High levels of GABA produce more control, relaxation, and even sedation. Alcohol works by increasing GABA levels, which is why all body systems are relaxed at first – then sedated to the point of slurred speech, unsteady gait, and foggy thinking. Alcohol withdrawal, or the sudden severe drop of high GABA levels, produce a low GABA level and the possibility of seizures. Withdrawal from benzodiazepines is known to follow the same pattern. Taking forty milligrams of Valium for two years, suddenly stopping all medication, will likely produce a seizure.

    Medications for anxiety create relaxation and a decrease in anxiety by increasing GABA levels in the brain. Alcoholic beverages work in the same manner; the alcohol increasing GABA levels to produce mild euphoria, loss of social anxiety, and other symptoms of intoxication

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    Thats the full article if ur interested.

    Anyway so im sure most of you already knew that alcohol increases GABA and most people take alot longer to orgasm while drunk .

    I guess i just wanted to write this because i wanted to once agian show its possible to manipulate brain chemistry and cure PE. though alcohol is a temporary measure…..you can perminatly incease it with Glutamine etc.

    Its bascially paralel to how people use ssris to prevent PE……but insread of that take tryptophan…..

    will the effects be immiediate…..no ofcourse not but if you track the results the right way it sould eventually work .

    Some other conclusions i came to about this….

    1) this person does not have eyefloaters and he has high dopamine.

    2) I have just PE because my Norepinephrine is lowish, I have the PE because serotonin and GABA are low.

    3) i have low dopamine and have floaters

    3) Precum leakage is clearly caused by high norepinephrine

    4) another example of how SE can take many diffrent routes in the body.

    like i said just some more fuel for thought

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    #11336

    Willis

    think your conclusions are spot on.

    I expect my neuros to look just like that.

    what do you think causes brain fog though?

    I’m pretty puzzled about that. I’m talking about brain fog that you get the day after jerking off. Part of the post orgasm illness. I feel it sometimes to a certain extent. Sometimes the day after jerking off (with hard flaccid), I have trouble waking up. My reaction time is slower. Lack of humor. Don’t feel like socializing..

    It doesnt happen every time, but enough to bother me. Feels like you’re a bit hungover n drowsy.

    Could be a drop in all neuros.

    Could be drop in dopamine -> would explain lack of motivation

    Or could be drop in hormonal levels, like T.. but even people with low T don’t experience this drowsiness. I was thinking maybe cuz adrenals take a hit.. but further adrenal fatigue would just feel like more tiredness and shitty feeling, but this doesn’t affect energy levels.. just your mind.

    Any ideas?

    #11337

    Andreas

    I am curious as well. Frenchiman, I experience those same exact symtpoms, which I believe is from the adrenal fatigue and a drop in neuros..

    #11338

    Filiberto

    its weird…….i always feel worse, most depressed in the morning upon waking. (could be that my dreams usually shit on the reality of life but whatever)

    In my case I think its low dopamine and other catecholomines. Since this is a sign of adrenal fatigue but my cortisol was decent.

    Im not sure what causes brain fog really could be all sorts of shit but im suspicious of neurotransmitters. I really dont think its a drop in T or whatever. As a matter of fact I dont think ejaculation affects testosterone. there was a week about 6 weeks ago where i musta jerked off like 8 times( i beasted i no ) and i had my testosterone checked and it came back…..505…….then there was time when i had abstained for 2 weeks and it came back 414…..so i think thats one of those cases where Lin just filled in the blanks.

    I really think neuros are so overlooked by everyone. I think there so important. to be honest…..in some ways i think a balanced brain chemistry would = better sexual function then phenominal hormones but shity neuros. (feel free to disagree obviosuly this has been my experiecne though). obviously the best combo is balanced brain along with great hormonal levels. This is what im aiming for .

    im so pumped to see your results frenchi i really wanna see whats good.

    #11339

    Eusebio

    maybe you guys have traditional adrenal fatigue and ejaculation affects your cortisol levels? would make sense explainin ur symptoms.

    I feel like the drop in dopamine couldnt be that big from ejaculating once.

    #11340

    Matthew

    low thyroid, testosterone, pregnenolone, cortisol will cause neurotransmitters to become out of whack.

    #11341

    Wm

    Good to hear I’m not alone.

    Ya there must be a drop in neuros. One way to find out would be to get tested for neuros the day before ejaculating and the day after. But I don’t think anyone has the money for that.

    Remember that guy Akgstone?

    He used to have exactly what we got. He was abstaining for 9 months and the hard flaccid went away. He told me that every few months his erections became larger and larger till they reached normal which was past 6 month point or something. But then at the 9th month he’d have a nocturnal emission every week… which sounds like a normal body reaction.. but he said that after every time it happened he felt this brain fog again, lack of motivation, basically the same thing. So obviously abstaining alone didn’t bring him back to normal.

    Here is what he didn’t mention: whether or not the hard flaccid came back after those nocturnal emissions. If it comes back then it would show that abstaining is useless in the end. If no, then it would be interesting.

    Then a month later he posted that he started taking T shots on his own (wish him luck there). And he said that he feels great. Creativity is back, motivation is back, no brain fog. Again he never mentioned whether sex drive was back, but I assume it was. And whether hard flaccid was gone. And what happened after ejaculation.

    And that’s it he’s never posted since :S. Pretty weird. If he came back and answered these few questions it would make everything a lot more simple.

    But thats all he shared with us. So basically the T shots helped him a lot. And helped him get rid of the brain fog. Which suggests that raising T is the answer.

    But 1. the raised T could have just helped adrenals recover. So maybe fixing adrenals would have fixed the problem on its own. We don’t know that.

    2. I’m gonna see where my T stands and it’ll make things more clear. Adrenals too.

    But either way whatever is causing it, just the fact that he got over it with T shots is good already. That’s an option right there.

    #11342

    Darin

    Max

    I want to know which one of those is responsible for the ‘brain fog’ after ejaculation. Any ideas?

    Which would drop the most and affect the mind that way>?

    #11343

    Wally

    Max

    low thyroid, testosterone, pregnenolone, cortisol will cause neurotransmitters to become out of whack

    though i dont doubt this is true…..look at arvi…..he now has high test, good thyroid, prenenolone and good cortisol under the care of Dr. M.

    this did not cure his premature ejac hence in my opinion showin that though there may have been a general rise in the levels the underlying imbalance was not corrected.

    I would also love to know if he has any other mood symptoms. Depresion, mood swings, lack of motivation, social anxiety. If your reading this arvi please enlighten us. Also do u have floaters ?

    and along with your PE do you have precum leakage?

    i think in the end most of us will still have to manipulate those neuros even though our hormones will be perfect.

    #11344

    Michale

    brain fade can be low pregnenlone, cortisol.

    premature ejaculation is a learned practice, once you have trained your mind to ejaculate its very hard to retrain your mind to last longer… i think maintaining a hard erection helps, (cortisol, testosterone, e2), and by practicing the reverse kegal

    boosting progesterone could help PE which downregulates the neurotransmitters that control ejaculation.

    #11346

    Jeremy

    premature ejaculation is a learned practice, once you have trained your mind to ejaculate its very hard to retrain your mind to last longer… i think maintaining a hard erection helps, (cortisol, testosterone, e2), and by practicing the reverse kegal

    i would respectfully disagree….the person in the post says he cured his PE just by drinking alcohol…went from one minute to 3 hours.(could be exagerated but im assuming signficantly longer). I dont think thats a matter of retraining his mind….i think thats more a matter of temporarily different brain chemistry.

    Unless this is what you mean by retrainin your mind?

    #11347

    Ahmed

    I’m sure PE is a combination of lowerish inhibitory neuros + learned practice.

    By learned practice I mean for many years you masturbate forcefully and sometimes quickly which trains your pc muscles to contract and thats when happens when the real thing comes.

    But neuros are def involved. Proof – howcome Paracetamol stopped Chris’s PE overnight?… alcohol helps… weed helps… the guy you just said with cialis and alcohol.

    Ya I’d also love to hear Akiras answers.

    and Js, ya I don’t think dopamine drops much after 1 ejaculation. But you never know.. I know T doesn’t drop much either if at all.

    So I think its adrenal related too.

    But symptoms match that of low dopamine – low motivation, slowness. Do you know if Chris had brain fog?

    And I still haven’t shipped back the test. I got exams coming up so there hasnt been a day when I woke up in the AM to take the cortisol test. Just studying till late night. Gonna have to wait some more

    #11348

    Hiram

    damn oh well…..this whole ordeal has really taught me the meaning of patience.

    anyway ya learned practice does play a part no doubt about it but if u have a fucked up brain chemistry i would say theres almost no way you can retrain your response….well at least to satisfactory levels.

    the ideal PE solution=balanced brain chemistry and cold water treatment…..i think this would work wonders ….if u had precum leakage may also wanna try vacum cupping and paracetemol

    #11349

    Carrol

    Frenchi, the fact that he never came back probably suggests that he fixed it.

    JS I agree 100% as PE was not a learned practice for me at all, it just came on one day. Also during masturbating I would always make myself wait fifteen minutes before ejaculating, so that I could have better control for sex, and it worked. Although I havent had sex since all of this started, I’m willing to bet I wouldn’t last as long, as I can see it in my masturbation now too. Before I could last forever, now it’s really mixed.

    #11350

    Willy

    i was the same way……..as i have said numerous times PE was NEVER an issue for me before exstacy and xanax. it was literally like november didnt have PE……Dec/Jan started. fucking ridicoulous looking back on it wish I knew what i know now .

    I used to masterbate for really long as well and as a matter fact even when i was a virgin i literally knew that i was gona have no trouble lasting. And thats exactly what happend the first 15 months of my relationship. i actually used to laugh at my friends who said they busted in like 5 minutes(thats not even really PE). oh man how things change

    also for me the fact that I know that I didnt have PE before is so calming and motivating. Makes me more confident because I feel like im returning to the norm.

    I feel like some people on this forum already had SE when they first had sex so they have never experienced what they were capable had they been healthy

    I would say this makes it harder for them to believe/realize that its possible to heal.

    #11351

    Francisco

    you can train yourself to last longer though….

    a weak erection can cause PE as you need to force your self to keep it up which then causes PE, dr. lin talks a bout it. you need a good burst of testosterone /e2 to keep erection going, but on the other hand TRT has known to give PE in some men.

    overall whereever you stand i think u can make yourself last longer through practice only by having sex. no masturbating.

    i believe PE is caused by forcing yourself to finish fast….

    if ur able to last over 2 minutes in bed, i wouldnt worry about it.

    i can last much longer when i listen to music for some reason.

    i dont think hormones will help, it would more likely help maintain a harder erection therefore lasting longer because you can take the pressure off the prostate. this is why cialis works well

    alcohol numbs you. and SSRI act the same way.

    most do no treat low neurotransmitters or even deal with them. The accuracy is debatable

    its better to focus on testosterone and low thyroid, etc.

    #11352

    Chas

    i agree you can train yourself. In my opinion though…..you need proper biochemistry for it to make a difference . or at least a significant difference.

    If someone was healthy and practices long masterbation sesions and possibly coldwater treatment if they were really devoted then i believe they would do great in withholding PE.

    However if someone with SE practices those things they will at most get a i dono lets say 10 percent incease…..so from 2 minutes to 2 minutes 20 seconds…..

    “alcohol numbs you. and SSRI act the same way. ”

    I agree….Why does it numb you though?

    Everytime iv manipulated my brain with amino acids iv had the same exact effect. its like my penis went from being really sensitive ( sometimes ejaculate before being hard) to just the glans are numbed, the base is less sensitve etc……im able to last much longer

    also though i think erection strength helps. I do agree with you and Dr. Lin on that. I dont think it makes a huge difference. Over the summer once I had an erecction for sex I would say the vast majority of the time it was really really hard……ud prob think i had 900 testosterone. and unless i took those supps……i would have PE.

    i guess its all individual but i dont think i could ever be satified with 2 mins. makes sex pointless to me

    #11353

    Richard

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    #11354

    Marlon

    iv read that before….i no neuro testing is controversial….never the less in my case and in the case of the person from meso i think the results are pretty accurate. they totally make sense.

    #11355

    Coy

    I just reread Akgstones posts.

    So after he started taking the T shots his said that he woke up every morning with a raging hard on. So his sex drive was back..

    In the same post that he told me hard flaccid disappeared after 9 months of abstaining he mentioned that brain fog comes back after nocturnal emissions but never mentioned that hard flaccid comes back. So I guess it never came back :S. I donno what could explain that. Either way I’m not gonna abstain that long cuz his sex drive never came back fully. He said one week he’d have no sex drive at all, next week he couldn’t stop staring at girls. That’s exactly how I feel.

    He mentioned that his T was in the mid 400s! So obviously that explains a lot. I doubt mine’s that low but it wouldn’t be a big surprise since our symptoms are identical. He never bothered to check anything else :S

    F*ck I feel like a detective. I’m going nuts slowly..

    #11356

    Tyler

    O ya and T is directly related to dopamine.

    So I’m thinking the brain fog must be a drop in both T and dopamine, which lasts 1 day. I donno which drops first, but if 1 drops the other 1 drops. That backs up Akgstones low T. And the symptoms of brain fog match those of low dopamine.. slowness, low motivation. And based on the article of the guy abstaining, over masturbation lowers dopamine.. so that would explain why all the ppl with the post orgasm illness who got there by over masturbating.. get brain fog. And the dude in the article experienced the symptoms. And most of you here don’t feel too great the morning after… so there we go.

    #11357

    Edwardo

    Max

    Did you not just hear what either of us said? When I masturbate I don’t masturbate for immediate gratification, I ALWAYS make myself last untill at least fifteen minutes, sometimes up to 30. EVEN with what’s going on now, in the past I could literally just masturbate without stopping for fifteen minutes and then ejaculate on command. Now, I get to about eight or ten minutes of masturbating and I have to stop because I’m about to cum, which I bet would be magnified during sex.

    This is NOT a training thing. My practices NEVER changed, ALWAYS fifteen minutes. EVEN when I was high.

    And I dunno what all this brain fog talk is about… sounds psychological.

    Although as someone who has suffered with depression my whole life. The “fog” really could just be what I call the depression haze. When you’re depressed everything is numb around you. Colours are less colourful, music is less musical. Everything is less significant. That’s depression though, not “brain fog” So I have no clue what you guys are talking about.

    #11358

    Jerrell

    F*ck I feel like a detective. I’m going nuts slowly..

    I am nuts…..really am everyone around me is just like your fucking crazy……

    speaking of crazy you wanna hhear some fucking WILD SHIT i figured out today.

    so last year……i lived with 6 kids in a suite on the 21 floor of this tower. It was 2 people to a room and we were all boys . We were all huge potheads. and also ventured into other drugs such as exstacy xanax shrooms(these were the shit though i dont have any anger about doing them) etc.

    ok well so to make a long story short one of the 6 kids has done exstacy about 5 plus times. xanax 20 plus times. he also has smoked opium twice and just in general parties and gets fucked up ALOT.

    so he knows about my problems because last year in april when i started figuring shit out i told him a little about it. he already mentioned then that he nuts quick during sex but i didnt rreally think much of it and sorta forgot about it.

    anyway so today he came through to my dorm and we started talking agian. He has just fucked some girl two nights ago and he was like

    “Man iv fucked like 5 girls this year and everytime i nut in like a minute…….and then sometimes i leak this clear fluid before when i get hard…….”

    naturally at this point knowing everything I know i was like holy shit…..so i kept digging and asking him questions.

    things that i found out

    1) for the last year or so hes had PE and precum leakage

    2) he has insomnia

    3) he has social anxiety

    4) he has mood swings

    5) hes cummed before without even getting fully hard

    6) he dosnt really have ED…..he never really overmasterbated to excesively…..

    keep in mind hes done E, xanax, opium all within the past year numerous times. His problems have been going on for about a year now. he also said

    “back in high school when i fucked girls in the bahamas i never had shit like this happen”

    do you guys need to hear anymore? jesus christ this kid basically has some variation of SE.

    the sad part is……hes such a fucking idiot that hes never gona figure it out. I tried tellin him and he was just like

    “na bro ill pop some xanies or take some perkacets before i F*ck girls……or ill just tell em to suck me off and once i nut ill F*ck em after”.

    i just cant believe that two people ( me and that kid) from the same suite last year both got SE basically. thats fucking wild.

    Guess it just shows how big this is gona get….

    kids……..dont do drugs lol

    #11359

    Harley

    ya that’s fucked. Not at all surprising.

    A lot of E + xanax –> lowered serotonin (probably temporary if you do it enough times) n lowered other breaks –> PE every time.

    The precum says hes probably got raised norepi too.

    Next stop is adrenal fatigue.. and then permanent lack of serotonin

    The kid’s in for a swirl of shit.

    Try to talk him out of it despite that hes an idiot.

    When I just got this and was looking for forums of E.. I remember I came across this 1 where this dude was in his 40s and he was saying that he used to pop a lot in his 20s.. and his wife too.. and now they both got all sorts of issues.. mood swings.. lack of concentration.. poor memory.. this guy was telling everyone to not do E more than once in few years. And he’s right.

    Obviously no1 will listen cuz everyone thinks it wont happen to me.. till it happens.

    I got a good friend who’s 21 and has done e/mdma at least 20 times in his life and he’s perfectly fine.. besides poor memory. So not everyone gets this.. but still rather stay away.

    #11360

    Sylvester

    (probably permanent**

    #11361

    Emmett

    The brain fog is def not psychological

    I’d wake up I feel zoned out. I look at my eyes in the mirror they are swollen like I smoked 3 blunts the night before. You feel like you’re high.. but not in a good way. You mind’s just like fuzzy. Everything feels like a drag. It takes you longer to respond to people and you don’t feel like being funny. It’s a shitty feeling. And then if you dont jerk off that day, wake up next day and its mostly gone, then wake up the day after and its totaly gone I got no problem waking up and so on..

    Again I don’t get this all the time. The week when I busted like 7 times, I didn’t have this on most days, it came by the end tho when hard flaccid started returning.

    It’s weird you don’t get this . Nirvana feels it too. And then you say weed makes things worse for you when it actually relaxes the pelvic floor muscles for me.. and nirvana.

    Fucking weird is all I can say

    #11362

    Armand

    ya everyone is individual……iv done e twice and got this and have friends who have done it alot more and are fine.

    honeslty i will try to talk to him again but the thing is like…….theres NO way this kid will get all the right testing done. Id literally have to guide him through the whole process which honestly I would do .

    But im also not trying to force anyone to do anything and like this kid really just like……dosnt get it. hes like everyone other clueless person out there and just dosnt no anyhting about serotonin, GABA, testosterone etc etc

    ill try i really will……it just blows my fucking mind that he has it to…..he really does to its clear as day to me. i mean what are the chances that a fellow SE sufferer is so close!!haha lol just wish he knew some shit so i could talk to him for real about it. oh well

    #11363

    Long

    Smoking weed definitely makes me feel great. The whole hard flaccid thing subsides and my sex drive is elevated. Iv never had sex while high, but I feel like it could help me last longer. My brain fog hasn’t been too bad lately, even after ejaculating. Since taking pregenelone(sp)daily, my recovery time has improved; I ejaculated this morning and at first felt a little shitty, but as the day went on I felt better and had more energy. I think it is important to note that I have also dealt with depression my whole life, but I always thought of it as something that everyone goes through, could be related to this whole ordeal, but its hard to say. In addition to, I was on cymbalta for one month about a year ago. When I got off the med, I developed PE and hard flaccid; before the med, the only issues I had were low libido,fatigue,poor memory, depression and weak erections.

    #11364

    Erasmo

    what’s cymbalta? how does it work?

    have you ever done ecstasy or any uppers like coke?

    what dose pregnenolone are you taking? 100 mg?

    The brain fog is not terrible like the people in the other forum describe.. but its there n thats bad enough.. I’m abstaining right now as I study for exams cuz half the next day could go to waste if i bust.

    #11365

    Buddy

    weed will for sure make you last longer. The problem I found is that your erection is not 100% when your high if you got the hard flaccid. It’ll only be like 80% or something, and not fully sensitized, so that’s no way to have sex either.

    #11366

    Hyman

    Cymbalta is an anti-depressant, a serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor to be exact. Seems to me like it fucked up something with norepinephrine and serototnin, resulting in my PE. Anyways, to answer your other question, no, iv never done anything ever than smoke weed occasionally. I think I smoke anywhere from 2 or 3 times a month if even that, so I do not believe weed contributed to my problem.

    #11367

    Brian

    I take one of these a day:

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    #11368

    Jacob

    cool

    The anti-depressant probably messed around with your serotonin which results in PE.

    #11369

    Wade

    Yup, and its been more than a year later and I still have PE, though a condom helps me last longer. I don’t get it, I never over ejaculated,never did hard drugs, I don’t drink and never have, but have all the same symptoms of SE. This all resulted from months chronic stress and depression, it puzzles me that my body never recovered.

    #11370

    Jamal

    You’re not alone bud.

    I gather alota people with hard flaccid get it outa nowhere.

    So are you planning on getting tested anytime soon? You realize we can stop guessing as soon as we have results. Its worth the 700 bucks.

    how old are you btw?

    #11371

    Fabian

    Yea I plan on getting tested soon, I just gotta pull the money together. I am 22 yrs old. I got a lot of bills to pay, and I just went back to school so money is super tight, I haven’t been able to save anything.

    #11372

    Renaldo

    Ya man I’m in the same situation. Took me a while to save up..

    #11373

    Alexander

    yo nirvana………look back at your earlier post…….

    you were like iv struggled with depresion my whole life……..chances are you were already predisposed to low serotonin.

    taking cymbalta didnt raise the serotonin it just kept it there in the synapses for longer…….when you discontinued it ……BOOM even less serotonin and thats when shit hit the fan.

    fucking ssris swear to god F*ck doctors

    #11374

    Trinidad

    Yea but my depression wasn’t anything that was crippling. Yea Iv always dealt with sadness, along with stress, but I generally had an awesome and fun time growing up.

    #11375

    Les

    i no ….im sure you were a happy kid.

    it does explain why after dyscontinuing cymbalta your symptoms got worse though

    #11376

    Young

    O ya and T is directly related to dopamine.

    So I’m thinking the brain fog must be a drop in both T and dopamine, which lasts 1 day. I donno which drops first, but if 1 drops the other 1 drops. That backs up Akgstones low T. And the symptoms of brain fog match those of low dopamine.. slowness, low motivation. And based on the article of the guy abstaining, over masturbation lowers dopamine.. so that would explain why all the ppl with the post orgasm illness who got there by over masturbating.. get brain fog. And the dude in the article experienced the symptoms. And most of you here don’t feel too great the morning after… so there we go.

    #11377

    Houston

    Max

    Did you not just hear what either of us said? When I masturbate I don’t masturbate for immediate gratification, I ALWAYS make myself last untill at least fifteen minutes, sometimes up to 30. EVEN with what’s going on now, in the past I could literally just masturbate without stopping for fifteen minutes and then ejaculate on command. Now, I get to about eight or ten minutes of masturbating and I have to stop because I’m about to cum, which I bet would be magnified during sex.

    This is NOT a training thing. My practices NEVER changed, ALWAYS fifteen minutes. EVEN when I was high.

    And I dunno what all this brain fog talk is about… sounds psychological.

    Although as someone who has suffered with depression my whole life. The “fog” really could just be what I call the depression haze. When you’re depressed everything is numb around you. Colours are less colourful, music is less musical. Everything is less significant. That’s depression though, not “brain fog” So I have no clue what you guys are talking about.

    #11378

    Don

    F*ck I feel like a detective. I’m going nuts slowly..

    I am nuts…..really am everyone around me is just like your fucking crazy……

    speaking of crazy you wanna hhear some fucking WILD SHIT i figured out today.

    so last year……i lived with 6 kids in a suite on the 21 floor of this tower. It was 2 people to a room and we were all boys . We were all huge potheads. and also ventured into other drugs such as exstacy xanax shrooms(these were the shit though i dont have any anger about doing them) etc.

    ok well so to make a long story short one of the 6 kids has done exstacy about 5 plus times. xanax 20 plus times. he also has smoked opium twice and just in general parties and gets fucked up ALOT.

    so he knows about my problems because last year in april when i started figuring shit out i told him a little about it. he already mentioned then that he nuts quick during sex but i didnt rreally think much of it and sorta forgot about it.

    anyway so today he came through to my dorm and we started talking agian. He has just fucked some girl two nights ago and he was like

    “Man iv fucked like 5 girls this year and everytime i nut in like a minute…….and then sometimes i leak this clear fluid before when i get hard…….”

    naturally at this point knowing everything I know i was like holy shit…..so i kept digging and asking him questions.

    things that i found out

    1) for the last year or so hes had PE and precum leakage

    2) he has insomnia

    3) he has social anxiety

    4) he has mood swings

    5) hes cummed before without even getting fully hard

    6) he dosnt really have ED…..he never really overmasterbated to excesively…..

    keep in mind hes done E, xanax, opium all within the past year numerous times. His problems have been going on for about a year now. he also said

    “back in high school when i fucked girls in the bahamas i never had shit like this happen”

    do you guys need to hear anymore? jesus christ this kid basically has some variation of SE.

    the sad part is……hes such a fucking idiot that hes never gona figure it out. I tried tellin him and he was just like

    “na bro ill pop some xanies or take some perkacets before i F*ck girls……or ill just tell em to suck me off and once i nut ill F*ck em after”.

    i just cant believe that two people ( me and that kid) from the same suite last year both got SE basically. thats fucking wild.

    Guess it just shows how big this is gona get….

    kids……..dont do drugs lol

    #11379

    Norbert

    ya that’s fucked. Not at all surprising.

    A lot of E + xanax –> lowered serotonin (probably temporary if you do it enough times) n lowered other breaks –> PE every time.

    The precum says hes probably got raised norepi too.

    Next stop is adrenal fatigue.. and then permanent lack of serotonin

    The kid’s in for a swirl of shit.

    Try to talk him out of it despite that hes an idiot.

    When I just got this and was looking for forums of E.. I remember I came across this 1 where this dude was in his 40s and he was saying that he used to pop a lot in his 20s.. and his wife too.. and now they both got all sorts of issues.. mood swings.. lack of concentration.. poor memory.. this guy was telling everyone to not do E more than once in few years. And he’s right.

    Obviously no1 will listen cuz everyone thinks it wont happen to me.. till it happens.

    I got a good friend who’s 21 and has done e/mdma at least 20 times in his life and he’s perfectly fine.. besides poor memory. So not everyone gets this.. but still rather stay away.

    #11380

    Brandon

    (probably permanent**

    #11381

    Miles

    The brain fog is def not psychological

    I’d wake up I feel zoned out. I look at my eyes in the mirror they are swollen like I smoked 3 blunts the night before. You feel like you’re high.. but not in a good way. You mind’s just like fuzzy. Everything feels like a drag. It takes you longer to respond to people and you don’t feel like being funny. It’s a shitty feeling. And then if you dont jerk off that day, wake up next day and its mostly gone, then wake up the day after and its totaly gone I got no problem waking up and so on..

    Again I don’t get this all the time. The week when I busted like 7 times, I didn’t have this on most days, it came by the end tho when hard flaccid started returning.

    It’s weird you don’t get this . Nirvana feels it too. And then you say weed makes things worse for you when it actually relaxes the pelvic floor muscles for me.. and nirvana.

    Fucking weird is all I can say

    #11382

    Mickey

    ya everyone is individual……iv done e twice and got this and have friends who have done it alot more and are fine.

    honeslty i will try to talk to him again but the thing is like…….theres NO way this kid will get all the right testing done. Id literally have to guide him through the whole process which honestly I would do .

    But im also not trying to force anyone to do anything and like this kid really just like……dosnt get it. hes like everyone other clueless person out there and just dosnt no anyhting about serotonin, GABA, testosterone etc etc

    ill try i really will……it just blows my fucking mind that he has it to…..he really does to its clear as day to me. i mean what are the chances that a fellow SE sufferer is so close!!haha lol just wish he knew some shit so i could talk to him for real about it. oh well

    #11383

    Milan

    Smoking weed definitely makes me feel great. The whole hard flaccid thing subsides and my sex drive is elevated. Iv never had sex while high, but I feel like it could help me last longer. My brain fog hasn’t been too bad lately, even after ejaculating. Since taking pregenelone(sp)daily, my recovery time has improved; I ejaculated this morning and at first felt a little shitty, but as the day went on I felt better and had more energy. I think it is important to note that I have also dealt with depression my whole life, but I always thought of it as something that everyone goes through, could be related to this whole ordeal, but its hard to say. In addition to, I was on cymbalta for one month about a year ago. When I got off the med, I developed PE and hard flaccid; before the med, the only issues I had were low libido,fatigue,poor memory, depression and weak erections.

    #11384

    Yong

    what’s cymbalta? how does it work?

    have you ever done ecstasy or any uppers like coke?

    what dose pregnenolone are you taking? 100 mg?

    The brain fog is not terrible like the people in the other forum describe.. but its there n thats bad enough.. I’m abstaining right now as I study for exams cuz half the next day could go to waste if i bust.

    #11385

    Angel

    weed will for sure make you last longer. The problem I found is that your erection is not 100% when your high if you got the hard flaccid. It’ll only be like 80% or something, and not fully sensitized, so that’s no way to have sex either.

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