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  • #7928

    Melvin

    I think I have found the cause of all this suffering.For a lot of you maybe.

    SO,in the past I really focused on the cause of my half moons disappearing on my fingernails which indicates health problems.

    My cousin lives in London,has a good job and makes a lot of money.Has a beautiful girlfriend.

    He is very optimistic and always happy,never let himself down.I remember those obviously visible half moons AKA lunula he had.

    I even mentioned him that look at mine,I only have it on my 2 thumbs and it’s starting to disappear.

    So I was thinking about it again and asked two other sufferes.They also said that the fingernail moons are gone and remember they had them years ago.

    And I clearly remember I had them before this SSRI nightmare.

    I came to a conclusion that HEALTHY and OPTIMISTIC people have very strong and visible half moons.

    Now if you never had them visible it’s ok but if you had all of them clearly visible and they started dissappearing look:

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060927094502AAojO0j

    Check the best answer.

    Now we know how dangerous this can be but there’s another reason for disappearing “lunula”.

    Lyme disease and………..B12 deficiency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “Vitamin B12 is produced in the intestinal tract by healthy micro-flora but usually in insufficient amounts to maintain optimal health.”

    http://www.ehow.com/about_5079383_side-effects-vitamin-sublingual-mg.html

    BINGO!

    You understand now? HANS was right about the gi tract but knew/said nothing about the B12.Even POIS guys PRAISE B3 niacin and we might all have trouble with B vitamins only!

    Think about it!

    Disappearing half moons “lunula” over the years by unhealthy diet >B12 deficiency > gut flora > unhealthy gi tract > causing more problems like liver,brain,penis,digestion etc.

    Also noticed how many of the SSRI sufferers and Sexually Exhausted guys go on B12 injections.

    I say it again.

    All three of us have only visible lunula on the thumbs.

    And back in 2005,when life was good,I had it on every fingernails AS OBVIOUSLY BIG AS A HOUSE just like the cousin.

    So basically I think this is what’s happening to a lot of us is a deficiency,low levels of B12 caused by poor diet,digestive problems that lead to SE.

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    #7929

    Jerry

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    #7930

    Tyree

    You know this is just a concept and didn’t wanted to make it public.

    A person recommended to post this who would obviously ban YOU not me.

    Just wanted to help not to harm but in this case,wishing you a miserable life. Asshole.

    Next

    #7931

    Rogelio

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    #7932

    Del

    Ah falcor it just doesn’t worth it.Have fun

    #7933

    Leonel

    Well…what is the need of being so rude with a SE camrade. Even when someone made fun of sameer777 I felt bad, because even if you read some really ridiculous post, there a person suffering a lot in the real life who have typed that. I wouldnt insult or mock another person with SE in my life, he have plenty of shit in his life already.

    Maybe this is is worth a check. Anyway, our inmediate goal, the mild/severe cases, should be get the more tests the better, so obviously I will be getting tested of vitamins, including b12 and b3.

    What is up with the GI tract theory? We developed gut problems from overmasturbation? Hmmmmm. I know I developed prostate problems from overmasturbation, it actually makes sense, because I was using my penis and prostate lol

    Since you were on antidepressants, you case is different steve. So actually you have more probabilities of having GI tract issues. IM not saying all this theories are down for me, but need to be proved someway. Since im going to doctors soon I will hopefully get tested for all this!

    #7934

    Lawrence

    Forget it.He can’t understand it.You can’t also.You need to have a withdrawal from those drugs to understand anything about suffering.

    If I could,I would rather have a micro penis than go through half of this hell…

    And about B12 it’s not stupid to think about it because DEFICIENCY OF B12 CAN CAUSE IRREVERSIBLE BRAIN DAMAGE.Google it.

    He is right about being childish to think disappearing lunulas are a sign of B12 deficiency because it can indicate lot’s of diseases but what is 100% sure that it’s not healthy for those to start dissappearing.Either heart,liver etc problems or only a bad diet but it’s worth to look after.

    #7935

    Marion

    well its part of the deficiency that affects hypothyroidism, i have noticed the half moon reappears in new thumbs but quickly disappears,noticed that they are more into healthy people.

    People who are ill or even sick, have them in 2-3 thumbs

    Notice that the Half moon, is also an indicator to the acidity of our stomach as i have read previously

    people with low HCL aka hydrocholric acid, may also have this problem

    (low HCL means poor absorption of vitamins and minerals)

    I wonder if the serum b12 blood draw can give us a picture of the b12 storage?

    #7936

    Tuan

    shell is right……..dude steve get tested and talk to about a way forward…not telling u to go on hrt but just saying that testing is needed to know ur problems. all ur deficiencies and excesses will be known then. STOP SPECULATING

    #7937

    Adrian

    Thank you l for your patience and word.

    Please read this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-SSRI_sexual_dysfunction

    http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/addiction-withdrawal.htm

    http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/toxicity-brain-damage.htm

    also watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6pmsVOe3g

    And when you did all this you will understand that I have no hope.

    #7938

    Lowell

    Quote:

    Wtf steve you havent tried 5% of what you could yet, so please dont say such a nonsense. We all have hope to improve and live but most of us wont recover COMPLETELY never. That is a more reasonable phrase.

    #7939

    Prince

    I have half moons on all my fingers and thumbs, but I think they are much smaller then before.

    Also the left hand half moons are noticeably smaller than my right hands half moons.

    Weird I’ll have to see if this changes as I heal or not. This last 2 weeks I’ve had a bitchin’ cold.

    #7940

    Alton

    I agree,you need to change your mentalty about the overall picture

    yes you have done some major plunges from your multi-addictions which is good but you havent took the essential blood tests that can show you how you can operate for the next 6 months and on which bases youll stand on.

    #7941

    Lynwood

    I didn’t really read the original thread, but I can give more input.

    This new year (1st Jan) I’ve been taking B-12 in the highest absorption form (Methly-something) and it disolves under your tongue in 30-60secs.

    Can’t say I’ve noticed anything personally, but then again I’ve only just started taking it, and also I’ve started taking a lot of other supplements and keeping to a routine, so I can’t say whether the b12 supplement is having an effect on me or not.

    But I did a lot of research on b12 2 weeks back, and how it’s very hard to absorb, it’s deficient in alot of people, and how it completely cures certain diseases (lol can’t remember now).

    Anyway the one i’m taking apparently passed through the Blood Brain Barrier easily, and is already converted into the form the body will use. Not only that, but it’s literally 83,333% of the RDA.

    I’ll find a link…

    http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-B12-Methylcobalamin-High-Potency-5000-mcg-60-Chewable-Tablets/15729?at=0

    Natural Factors Methylcobalamin B12 is active immediately upon absorption, while other forms (e.g., cyanocobalamin) must be converted to methylcobalamin in a two-step process. Methylcobalamin demonstrates exceptional activity in areas where other forms are simply not active.

    And from my research on reviews and forums. People have literally replaced having B12 shots because there blood tests resulted in higher B12.

    #7942

    Buck

    Some articles to go thru:

    Warning there is a disgusting picture in this link

    http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/fingernails-and-what-they-reveal/

    according to this website, it says its pituitary problems or low circulation

    the other link assumes that its overreactive Thyroid, if iam not mistaken i think they mean that the thyroid hormones pool in the blood without entering the cells

    http://www.emedicinal.com/diseases/nailproblems.php

    #7943

    Lamar

    I think you really need to be careful with B12 supps.

    As I mentioned to ,if you’re taking high doses of a specific vitamin B it will upset the balance with the others.You must take complex and try to get the B12 from these: http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B12.php

    #7944

    Miquel

    Good keep us posted if you notice something from it.

    I really think the best would be to get the tests about all vitamins, including B12. But that is a lot of ca$h like every fucking test,supp, hormone or whatever on this disease

    Me and my brother have taked (more likely stole?)a lot of really old books from my grandma´s house, some of the from 1840! I really hope I can sell them! haha

    I have checked 4 people (healthy people, at least physically lol) and none of them have any lunulas. My father added that when he was a child had lunulas in every finger but they dissapeared with time.

    #7945

    Lucio

    I have done the B12 test, but the results was above range and inaccurate because i havent stopped my multivitamin back then.( 2 weeks being supplement free)

    not to mention, to my knowledge the blood test doesnt reflect the storaged b12 in our liver.

    #7946

    Darrick

    did you guys consider that low B12 may be caused because of poor liver function rather than poor GI tract?

    Chris told me back in the day “your B12 is low because your liver is under-methylating” or something along those lines.

    I wish I could go into detail and explain how ‘unde-rmethylating liver’ results in low B12 and low folate but I honestly don’t know. I tried reading up on ‘under-methylation’ on google and looking at methylation diagrams and pathways.. but it was a lot to comprehend and I never went through with it fully. So I don’t know details on how the liver works. But all I know is that if your liver function is depleted (under-methylating) then you can expect B12 and folate to be low, also niacin perhaps. You test all this by running a vitamin mineral amino acid test. If methyonine and other minerals/amino acids related to liver show up low then you know your liver is clogged or at least not working optimally. Another clue is high E2. That E2 is built up in the liver and impair its function. Then B12 and folate should be low.. and mine sure were.

    So then all you do is supplement B12 and folate. I remember the B12 has to be sublingual for it to be effective. Doses have to be pretty high. Within 2-3 weeks that should open up liver methylation pathways, and should automatically clear some of the E2 out.

    I also remember Chris say that 40% of the population have a normal functioning liver. 50% have an under-methylating liver. and 10% have an over-methylating liver. What under and over methylating means I have no idea. And how to tell if your liver is over-methylating I don’t know either. But if you’re interested google all that, it’s all there.

    I was just told that my liver is under-methylating from a guy that had similar lab results and was told to take B12 and folate.. and I’m gonna do that.. I don’t even care what methylation means really. Just gonna take those supp and see where it gets me.

    I’m starting my B12 and folate and niacin today btw. I’ll tell you guys how it goes.

    As for the GI tract.. lets say that mine is in fact impaired. What are my options here? I’m not gonna run a dangerous GI detox, as HAN described it, on my own.. I don’t know what to take and when. I don’t wanna end up feeling worse like he said some people did if done incorrect.

    I also don’t wanna cut out 70% of the food I eat and starve in an attempt to detox GI tract.

    So realistically all I can do is take those supps and hope everything works out. If some call it masking the symptoms then its masking the symptoms.. but whats another realistic alternative? nothing really.

    #7947

    Aron

    Yes all this talking about B12 was reminding me what you said about methylation,liver etc.

    Frenchi,I should have posted this like three times now, but my thread was always updated with some stuff about seeds or hans talking about how we cant cure on our own lol

    Do you you think that this supplement will do the trick for liver methylation?

    http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Methyl-Guard-Plus-90-Veggie-Caps/33646?at=0

    Or it would be better to just buy some sublingual B12?

    Guys, maybe we are up to something with all this liver-B12 shit!!

    #7948

    Pierre

    You don’t need this product. If you’re taking a vit B complex already than your riboflavin and B6 will be off the charts, too high.

    Just take Folate 800 mg to start.. after a week or two can up the dose to 1600 mg. You wanna wait that week or two to see how your body responds cuz some people may have a bad detox reaction. I’m not sure exactly what this means but I remember hearing that part.

    At the same time take Jarrows brand sublingual B12.. think the dose was 2.5 mg to start and then up to 5 mg. Not sure though.

    After a few weeks on those liver pathways should open up and we should experience more mental clarity.

    But remember this is ONLY for people with under-methylation. Those with over probably need something else I don’t know what.

    Also if you wanna add it niacin, you can take like 400 mg. Wait some time after starting folate and b12 so you see how you respond to them.. then add in niacin see how you respond. You can up the dose later if you want. Niacin is supposed to help speed up open methylation pathways. But its not as important as B12 and folate are.

    Also dont forget its ‘folate’ or ‘folate acid’ NOT ‘folic acid’

    #7949

    Milford

    dude i wuold suggest you not to take niacin in any form whatsoever….it will make ur histamine go up( atleast thats what i know) and what not. i have myself taken it…moreover if u take 400mg everyday ur liver will get damaged or poisoned i dont know….trust me on this dude. when i took it my erections reduced and what not……better not take it.

    its good for healthy people but not for us….in healthy adults it will raise HGH, increase liver function(taking it on alternate days) and some other stuff….

    i dont know if it helps methylation but it sure made me sick..

    #7950

    Fausto

    dude i wuold suggest you not to take niacin in any form whatsoever….it will make ur histamine go up( atleast thats what i know) and what not. i have myself taken it…moreover if u take 400mg everyday ur liver will get damaged or poisoned i dont know….trust me on this dude. when i took it my erections reduced and what not……better not take it.

    its good for healthy people but not for us….in healthy adults it will raise HGH, increase liver function(taking it on alternate days) and some other stuff….

    i dont know if it helps methylation but it sure made me sick..

    true. thanks for the heads up.

    My histamine is actually low I know that so may not be that bad. I just looked at the bottle I have laying around its 250 mg doses so not that high. I’ll try it soon for a few days if it makes me sick I’ll stop. I heard it also turns peoples faces red.. if it does that for me I’m gonna stop too.

    I know its good for healthy people. Also anyone who’s taking B100 is already getting enough niacin so the extra niacin supplement is not really necessary but I’ll see how I feel.

    #7951

    Jere

    Honestly you are right that big doses of naicin may change the liver and increases histamine temporary(the flush) but as for the erection thing I think you are mistaken, Niacin has a property in dilating the blood vessels

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-22/entertainment/29936840_1_niacin-erectile-dysfunction-vitamin-b3

    i have used it previously with choline bitrate and B complex to lower my high Cholestrol but make a notice that above 250mg can have adverse effect in the long run.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency#Causes

    The product saragonnas posted contains the active form of the B vitamins.

    as for methylation , its a process of clearing and repairing overall levels

    the CP450 is one of the main enzymes the clear up toxins and other forums of hormones, fat …etc in the liver

    when our liver is stuck, we will get poor hormones conversion from cholesterol and high estrogen our main B vitamin sink down having in account other hormones that follows the B group like

    Iron Zinc Vitamin C Sulfur based aminos

    thats why most of us may have low end or low ferritin, Vitamin D…etc and these are indicators that the liver stop storingor maybe draining the required nutrients

    all of them help in the overall breakup of hormones fats EFA..etc

    Importance of Iron in Methylation

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16729250

    #7952

    Mitchell

    yes exactly. Liver is def not to be overlooked when treating SE. Built up liver keeps the E2 high, other vitamins low.. the E2 in turn causes inflammation from liver..

    Yesterday I started taking: Phosphatidyl serine – 150 mg, folate 800mcg, and Jarrow Formula Methyl B12 2500 mcg.

    The B12 I got off of iHerb. Jarrows methyl b12.. comes in 5000 mcg tablets. I split it in two with a knife and take 2500. I put it under upper lip to make it last about 20 mins. It tastes delicious almost like candy. Not joking.

    #7953

    Micheal

    Good luck with the first step frenchi.

    Is there any reason why your taking the Phosphatidylserine with B12 and Folate? I’ve considered taking Phosphatidylserine before but decided against it because it’s soy based, do you not see that as anything to worry about? What brand of Phosphatidylserine, you using?

    Are you using R5P (riboflavin 5′-phosphate) and P5P (pyridoxyl 5′-phosphate) aswell? I don’t think it’s critical to use these (especially if your already using B-Complex) but from what i understand they help. Trimethylglycine (as anhydrous betaine) can help also. Those five nutrients promote the process of methylation.

    #7954

    Gail

    thanks lee,

    the phosphatidyl serine has no relation to the folate and b12. I just dug up some supplements I ordered months ago phosphatidyl was one of them I figure might as well take it as well hopefully it helps adrenals a bit.

    I order NOW brand phosphatidyl. It says ‘soy free’ on the label so should be good.

    Nah I’m not taking anything else.. just the usual B-complex, multivitamin, C, fish oil, and now added in B12 and folate and phosphatidyl serine. I heard P5P is good.. I just cant afford anything else right now.. gonna try to get my on the bare minimum..

    you planning on taking B12 and folate too? or starting with something else?

    I was gonna go retest my thyroid like I wanted to for a while but then thought what if after a few weeks on B12 and folate my thyroid improves a little.. so then that test would be useless already cuz at this point I’ll need lower dose thyroid med than when tested.. and I wanna be accurate about thyroid med doses cuz its pretty serious stuff.. so figured I’ll be taking B12 and folate for a while from now on anyway might as well test thyroid when I’m on them.

    #7955

    Marlon

    Thanks, ive never come across soy free Phosphatidylserine before. I might give it a try as it’s supposed to help assist people with adrenal fatigue get a better night’s sleep (PhosphatidylSerine supplementation can suppress cortisol production.) I’ve no major problems with sleep, but it could be better.

    ”you planning on taking B12 and folate too? or starting with something else?”

    Well ideally i’d like to get all my labs first, but i am tempted to try methylation now, just because i want to know if it will get rid of my inflammation. I’ve been thinking of using R5P, P5P, Methylcobalamin, Metafolin and TMG at the same time. All the research i’ve done points to that being the most effective combo. I just need to work out dosage, with or without food. Maybe i could try it for a week say, and if i start feeling better carry on. What do you think?

    folate 800mcg, and Jarrow Formula Methyl B12 2500 mcg.

    You taking these on an empty stomach, or after a meal? What time of day? How long do you plan to run this for?

    #7956

    Aaron

    I take them right after dinner at evening time. I doesn’t say on the label if it should be taken with food or no.. I went with.

    If I do feel better on them then I’ll probably be taking them for at least a year. If it helps why stop right.. I’ll probably only stop when hard flaccid goes away completely.

    “Maybe i could try it for a week say, and if i start feeling better carry on. What do you think? ”

    Ya I think you should def get on it soon. I dont even know why I waited this long. I’ve been meaning to start taking these supps after retesting thyroid but it just hit me then I’m gonna be taking them long term anyway why not test thyroid when I’m on them already cuz I’m not getting off them anytime soon..

    so I think you should start with that too. And only after a few weeks on these supps test everything cuz who knows.. maybe adrenals and thyroid will improve by like 30% just from this.. so then we’d adjust thyroid and adrenal supps accordingly.

    what’s Methylcobalamin?? sounds serious..

    I slept like a baby today btw. Too early to tell if it has something to do with the supps but hopefully it does.

    #7957

    Vern

    Good sleep is SOOO important. I hope you are getting succes with those supps, frenchi!

    You too lee,it seems you have done some research! If any of your protocol shows a noticeable improvement I will be using it

    Quote:

    http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html

    #7958

    Henry

    ”what’s Methylcobalamin?? sounds serious..”

    Your already taking it, it’s just the name of the B12 your using thats all. I put the proper name for the sake of future lurkers.

    BTW whats your protein/amino acid intake like? I’m almost certain i’ve read before thats amino acids are important whilst methylating liver. Not sure why, and it’s a distant memory but just thought you should know.

    #7959

    Daryl

    dude folate and folic acid is the same right? so why cant someone take folate?

    #7960

    Valentine

    I don’t think folate and folic acid is the same thing. but not sure. I was just told to take folate not folic acid so I wanted to let you guys know.

    Lee,

    on an average day I’d eat 2-3 eggs in the morning. Then meat with lunch, and meat with dinner. Or fish. That’s where most of my protein comes from. I eat meat at 3 times a day including eggs, sometimes more. I also eat nuts usually so thats some protein. Some yogurt or milk is some more protein. And the rest protein from grains, beans and stuff.. but its not complete protein so I don’t even count it. So I try to get anywhere from 80-120 grams of protein a day.

    How about you?

    #7961

    Kelley
    #7962

    Cameron

    hehe I already read that

    #7963

    Jean

    Rushil,

    ”dude folate and folic acid is the same right? so why cant someone take folate?”

    Folate is the naturally-occurring form of the vitamin. Folic aid is the synthetic form of the vitamin that is used in most supplements.

    Folate’s the one to take. Either metafolin or 5 methyl form.

    Frenchi,

    I’m not sure if my protein intake is as good as that. I have tuna with my dinner (lunch) and chicken with my tea. But i eat nuts and grains too. It’s def not enough though, so i’m gonna address it by taking pea protein isolate and brown rice protein powder mixed together, to add another 30-50 grams per day. I’m thinking of adding a superfood supp to it aswell to make a kind of all in one shake, once per day.

    http://is.gd/IJpsqT

    Using that supp just one serving a day is a 2 month supply, so it’s not going to burn a hole in my pocket to much.

    #7964

    Alejandro

    Damn that Orac Energy Greens has an amazing list of ingredients. It has your daily probiotics and everything too. At $25/month I guess its reasonable. I’m gonna get it too.

    The extra protein if you can afford go for it but its pretty easy to get protein from food. 3 meals of 30 grams of protein already gives you 90. Meat or fish with 2 meals gives you 30g per meal. Eggs with another meal is another 20 g. So that’s 80. Nuts another 10. Dairy and grains and everything else is another 20. So that’s 110 grams. I weigh 175 lbs. For me this is plenty, considering I’m not even working out. But more protein couldn’t hurt either..

    #7965

    Elwood

    starting with the liver protocol today…if i donnt get the detox symptoms then should i stop taking it?

    #7966

    Rodrigo

    Naw keep going either way, with or without symptoms. If it works then either way you should be feeling better about a month after starting.

    #7967

    Delbert

    Guys I’m back again because this won’t go without spending a lot of cash on supps.

    I came to a conclusion that B12 theory is not the best and now think that

    heavy stress or trauma causes the adrenals to burn out and that starts the party,F*ck up gi trackt,gives lack of B12,liver etc.

    Adrenal fatigue is the main problem.WOW F*ck this shit! I’ve been misdiagnosed and given pills that made me even worse.

    And to think about that a healthy adrenal protects people from panic attacks,I could have been saved from all those nightmare if they teach these things to us.But at least the picture has been put together.

    What sucks that probably everyone who has adrenal fatigue also has very low B12.And that is even worse than adrenal problems.

    Anyway,try to concentrate on supporting the adrenals and neuros and things would hopefully go back to normal.It takes 6-12 months to recover from fatigue and in severe cases like mine probably 24 months.

    This means no stress for given months,tons of supplements,good diet and good sleep,mild exercise.

    Please,the B12 theory is just bullshit.The start of all our problem is the stress on the adrenals!!!

    STRESS:

    -porn

    -computer

    -tv

    -people who make you feel sad,negative feelings

    -bad sleep

    -heavy exercise,like sprinting is the worst thing you can do

    I don’t know about masturbation.Is it a stress factor or not but for us giving POIS it probably is.Also,we can’t go abstaining for 6-12 months because of blue balls.

    2-3-4 times a month seems an OK idea.

    I’d like to hear your opinion about masturbation and adrenals.Went without porn for a while,masturbated without screen,just using my fantasie.Still gave me POIS.

    Lots of good supplements here:

    http://www.shawnphillipstraining.com/chronic_fatigue_syndrome.html

    #7968

    Morton

    You don’t need this product. If you’re taking a vit B complex already than your riboflavin and B6 will be off the charts, too high.

    Just take Folate 800 mg to start.. after a week or two can up the dose to 1600 mg. You wanna wait that week or two to see how your body responds cuz some people may have a bad detox reaction. I’m not sure exactly what this means but I remember hearing that part.

    At the same time take Jarrows brand sublingual B12.. think the dose was 2.5 mg to start and then up to 5 mg. Not sure though.

    After a few weeks on those liver pathways should open up and we should experience more mental clarity.

    But remember this is ONLY for people with under-methylation. Those with over probably need something else I don’t know what.

    Also if you wanna add it niacin, you can take like 400 mg. Wait some time after starting folate and b12 so you see how you respond to them.. then add in niacin see how you respond. You can up the dose later if you want. Niacin is supposed to help speed up open methylation pathways. But its not as important as B12 and folate are.

    Also dont forget its ‘folate’ or ‘folate acid’ NOT ‘folic acid’

    #7969

    Val

    dude i wuold suggest you not to take niacin in any form whatsoever….it will make ur histamine go up( atleast thats what i know) and what not. i have myself taken it…moreover if u take 400mg everyday ur liver will get damaged or poisoned i dont know….trust me on this dude. when i took it my erections reduced and what not……better not take it.

    its good for healthy people but not for us….in healthy adults it will raise HGH, increase liver function(taking it on alternate days) and some other stuff….

    i dont know if it helps methylation but it sure made me sick..

    #7970

    Gary

    dude i wuold suggest you not to take niacin in any form whatsoever….it will make ur histamine go up( atleast thats what i know) and what not. i have myself taken it…moreover if u take 400mg everyday ur liver will get damaged or poisoned i dont know….trust me on this dude. when i took it my erections reduced and what not……better not take it.

    its good for healthy people but not for us….in healthy adults it will raise HGH, increase liver function(taking it on alternate days) and some other stuff….

    i dont know if it helps methylation but it sure made me sick..

    true. thanks for the heads up.

    My histamine is actually low I know that so may not be that bad. I just looked at the bottle I have laying around its 250 mg doses so not that high. I’ll try it soon for a few days if it makes me sick I’ll stop. I heard it also turns peoples faces red.. if it does that for me I’m gonna stop too.

    I know its good for healthy people. Also anyone who’s taking B100 is already getting enough niacin so the extra niacin supplement is not really necessary but I’ll see how I feel.

    #7971

    Rod

    Honestly you are right that big doses of naicin may change the liver and increases histamine temporary(the flush) but as for the erection thing I think you are mistaken, Niacin has a property in dilating the blood vessels

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-08-22/entertainment/29936840_1_niacin-erectile-dysfunction-vitamin-b3

    i have used it previously with choline bitrate and B complex to lower my high Cholestrol but make a notice that above 250mg can have adverse effect in the long run.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency#Causes

    The product saragonnas posted contains the active form of the B vitamins.

    as for methylation , its a process of clearing and repairing overall levels

    the CP450 is one of the main enzymes the clear up toxins and other forums of hormones, fat …etc in the liver

    when our liver is stuck, we will get poor hormones conversion from cholesterol and high estrogen our main B vitamin sink down having in account other hormones that follows the B group like

    Iron Zinc Vitamin C Sulfur based aminos

    thats why most of us may have low end or low ferritin, Vitamin D…etc and these are indicators that the liver stop storingor maybe draining the required nutrients

    all of them help in the overall breakup of hormones fats EFA..etc

    Importance of Iron in Methylation

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16729250

    #7972

    Winford

    yes exactly. Liver is def not to be overlooked when treating SE. Built up liver keeps the E2 high, other vitamins low.. the E2 in turn causes inflammation from liver..

    Yesterday I started taking: Phosphatidyl serine – 150 mg, folate 800mcg, and Jarrow Formula Methyl B12 2500 mcg.

    The B12 I got off of iHerb. Jarrows methyl b12.. comes in 5000 mcg tablets. I split it in two with a knife and take 2500. I put it under upper lip to make it last about 20 mins. It tastes delicious almost like candy. Not joking.

    #7973

    Gaylord

    Good luck with the first step frenchi.

    Is there any reason why your taking the Phosphatidylserine with B12 and Folate? I’ve considered taking Phosphatidylserine before but decided against it because it’s soy based, do you not see that as anything to worry about? What brand of Phosphatidylserine, you using?

    Are you using R5P (riboflavin 5′-phosphate) and P5P (pyridoxyl 5′-phosphate) aswell? I don’t think it’s critical to use these (especially if your already using B-Complex) but from what i understand they help. Trimethylglycine (as anhydrous betaine) can help also. Those five nutrients promote the process of methylation.

    #7974

    Mikel

    thanks lee,

    the phosphatidyl serine has no relation to the folate and b12. I just dug up some supplements I ordered months ago phosphatidyl was one of them I figure might as well take it as well hopefully it helps adrenals a bit.

    I order NOW brand phosphatidyl. It says ‘soy free’ on the label so should be good.

    Nah I’m not taking anything else.. just the usual B-complex, multivitamin, C, fish oil, and now added in B12 and folate and phosphatidyl serine. I heard P5P is good.. I just cant afford anything else right now.. gonna try to get my on the bare minimum..

    you planning on taking B12 and folate too? or starting with something else?

    I was gonna go retest my thyroid like I wanted to for a while but then thought what if after a few weeks on B12 and folate my thyroid improves a little.. so then that test would be useless already cuz at this point I’ll need lower dose thyroid med than when tested.. and I wanna be accurate about thyroid med doses cuz its pretty serious stuff.. so figured I’ll be taking B12 and folate for a while from now on anyway might as well test thyroid when I’m on them.

    #7975

    Jan

    Thanks, ive never come across soy free Phosphatidylserine before. I might give it a try as it’s supposed to help assist people with adrenal fatigue get a better night’s sleep (PhosphatidylSerine supplementation can suppress cortisol production.) I’ve no major problems with sleep, but it could be better.

    ”you planning on taking B12 and folate too? or starting with something else?”

    Well ideally i’d like to get all my labs first, but i am tempted to try methylation now, just because i want to know if it will get rid of my inflammation. I’ve been thinking of using R5P, P5P, Methylcobalamin, Metafolin and TMG at the same time. All the research i’ve done points to that being the most effective combo. I just need to work out dosage, with or without food. Maybe i could try it for a week say, and if i start feeling better carry on. What do you think?

    folate 800mcg, and Jarrow Formula Methyl B12 2500 mcg.

    You taking these on an empty stomach, or after a meal? What time of day? How long do you plan to run this for?

    #7976

    Donnell

    I take them right after dinner at evening time. I doesn’t say on the label if it should be taken with food or no.. I went with.

    If I do feel better on them then I’ll probably be taking them for at least a year. If it helps why stop right.. I’ll probably only stop when hard flaccid goes away completely.

    “Maybe i could try it for a week say, and if i start feeling better carry on. What do you think? ”

    Ya I think you should def get on it soon. I dont even know why I waited this long. I’ve been meaning to start taking these supps after retesting thyroid but it just hit me then I’m gonna be taking them long term anyway why not test thyroid when I’m on them already cuz I’m not getting off them anytime soon..

    so I think you should start with that too. And only after a few weeks on these supps test everything cuz who knows.. maybe adrenals and thyroid will improve by like 30% just from this.. so then we’d adjust thyroid and adrenal supps accordingly.

    what’s Methylcobalamin?? sounds serious..

    I slept like a baby today btw. Too early to tell if it has something to do with the supps but hopefully it does.

    #7977

    Merlin

    Good sleep is SOOO important. I hope you are getting succes with those supps, frenchi!

    You too lee,it seems you have done some research! If any of your protocol shows a noticeable improvement I will be using it

    Quote:

    http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html

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