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  • #115082

    Maxwell

    I had ED since last Oct and have abstained for a year.

    What happened back them was that I suddenly lost my erection when masturbating. From then on I had difficult erections and no morning woods.

    My over masturbation habit started in high school. I masturbated daily for 10 years to porn.

    Gradually, I started becoming very picky about the kind of women I am interested in. Normal girls dont arouse me much. I thought it was that my brain is getting used to more sexy women.

    As time moved on, I slowly lost the ability to use my mind to control my penis. Erotic thoughts no longer induced an erection. And I lost the confidence to approach women since subconsciously my mind thought that I wont be able to satisfy them ( because the thought of having sex with her no longer induces sensation down there). And emptiness kicked in down there.

    Last year, I had problem with ejaculation. It was difficult for me to ejaculate with normal sexual intercourse.

    I often hold my ejaculation. Oftentimes, I masturbate to porn for a hour, withholding ejaculation for as long as possible.

    Lastly year, I suddenly lost the ability to erect my penis.

    According to these patterns, my theory is that I’ve burned out my nerve systems. It isn’t lost of hormones. Because if this were true, I would experience loss of desire, instead of ability to erect. Secondly, it’s a sudden loss erection is an indicator that something snapped. Hormones don’t snap. It’s like electricity through a wire, it may be lower, or high but when it suddenly shuts off — something is wrong, the cable might be cut. Or the generator is down. I think the most probably cause is that the cable is snapped.

    Think about it…erection is very powerful stuff. It requires a lot of chemicals to work together to provide strong erection. Much like drugs, it puts your brain in a constant excited state. Heavy drug uses fries brain, causing structural failures and alter brain patterns.

    In this case, since I am not losing the ability to fantasize about sex and still have sexual desires. And exciting pictures and movies do arouse me.However, I can’t feel much anything down there. When I am touching it, it’s difficult to feel the kind of surge I experienced before. I am inclided to believe that it’s the nerves down there that had failed, or the wiring to the brain in the spine but that is unlikely since most things happen down there.

    Traditional Chinese Medicine has known this for years but TCM bull load of crap when it comes to understanding the inner working of human body. It has some theories but none of them accurate. It’s not real a scientific understanding to the working of human body. Rather, it’s empirical at best.

    TCM has valuable experiences with herbs, which contain active ingredients for treating diseases or bodily aliments but when something major fails, it can’t dont anything about it.

    Western Medicine has no prior knowledge or research into this area either. However. I believe it is where the answer should be sought. What are your opinions on what has caused this issue? What specific nerves are damaged? Is there a way to figure this out? Are there anyone on this forum who has resources to do more research into this area?

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    #115140

    Norbert

    Your system is not recharging. It is not as bad as mine yet, total libido shut down, erection shut down, feelings shut down, orgasmic ability shut down etc.

    I am currently writing a thorough research work to get mainstream research support on this and other conditions. My motivation has been totally out though, won’t be easy.

    #115174

    Lloyd

    It doesn’t necessarily have to do with nerves. I’m almost 100% sure your problem doesn’t lie in nerves.

    Take a lot of time to read a lot of useful threads on this site. In recent posts people have really summed up what SE, ED, premature ejaculation.. are all about, and how to go about it.

    You need to get blood/urine/saliva tested for everything possible including sex hormones, neurotransmitters, adrenals, amino acids, thyroid…

    The results will show exactly where you lack, and with a good doctor here or with knowledgeable folks here you can figure out what’s happening with your body, and the problem might have originated. If it turns out you have adrenal fatigue, then you’ll start supplementing for that, if you are hypothyroid then you’ll need to supplement for that, or maybe you just have low testosterone and high estradiol, so you’ll have to fix that.

    Typically, when you solve one issue such as adrenals or low testosterone, other issues may get solved as a result and hormones may get stabilized. So you can’t focus exclusively one one symptom, such as desensitization of nerves, because that’s only a symptom. The body is complex, and everything is interconnected, but fortunately when you solve the underlying issue, a lot of symptoms including nerves will get fixed by themselves.

    Read up here, see what some people did who recovered, familiarize yourself with hormones, see where you can get the tests done..

    #115194

    Kasey

    It’s about nerves.. orgasm drains your nerves from energy. Result is nervous breakdown, no ability to concentrate or relax, stiff weak painful body. Overmasturbation will also affect your posture alignment and breathing in a negative way, these both are directly related to nerves’ functioning. Yoga, Tai chi, meditation is great for rebuilding the nervous system. TCM is good, but you have to do the work (energy cultivation) yourself. And it’s a lot of work. But with proper determination it’s possible to get back to normal.

    #115205

    Dexter

    what frenchiman said is totally right. When i first found out about SE i was just like you focusing on all that DR. Lin hocus pocus an believing I had burned out my nerves and shit. the vast majority of that is wrong or only partially correct. There are people who have healed SE. They all went out balancing there neurotransmitters through amino acids testing and neurotransmitter testing. Also balancing their hormonal imbalances whether it was low T high e2 or adrenal fatigue. Usually when they corrected all these imbalances all their problems went away.

    So i would recomend you get the proper testing and get around to getting your life back. OR you can trust in some ancient chinese TCM bullshit and hope that abstaining and Yoga somehow rejuvinate your body. It is theoretically possible but highly unlikely.

    If you have trouble cumming and have weak erections then you prob have low Testosterone and Low dopamine. Get it checked out

    #115210

    Ellis

    frenchiman

    Except for a fatty liver, my hormone checks came out normal.

    The thing is it does not just feel like imbalance of hormones. The penis simply feels like a piece of rubber hanging on there and touching it won’t engorge it naturally and it’s like it resists to come to live. There is this feeling that it is cut off from the base to the the penis in terms of nervous communications.

    #115242

    Will

    js367124

    I have no trouble cumming while masturbating. IT’s just that threshold for ejaculation is a lot higher now. I do believe that some hormones might be low and the nerve system is exhausted and out of balance. However, I suspect something physical has happened as well. O.W. it won’t feel so weird down there even when I am not touching or thinking about it.

    THe feeling is nto pain but it constantly reminds you of what which is not there. I have this compulsive feeling just to touch it every now and then just to feel tat it’s there. It is crippling my life.

    You say that few other ppl have healed..What are your examples? Can you point them to me? I have yet to see recovered addicts.

    TCM has theory explaining this and treatments available for it. It all resolves around restoring energy to life. However, we know it’s not even. I mean, eventually i think energy is going to come back to certain level but erection problem is not just a lack of energy, we all know it too well.

    I have yet to see TCM ever works. TCM really has no clue beyound what is obvious and I don’t think it ever helps fundamentally. It notices the symptons and has warned of its consequences for centuries but never really got a hold of the treatment.

    We are all hoping it’s just a nutrient issue and hormonal imbalance because it’s fixable through invasive treatment. However, that’s put hope aside and face the facts here.

    #115309

    Jessie

    Fundamentally everything is energy. Learn how to regulate it and secondary states (nerves, hormones, blood, body) will normalize.

    #115366

    Paris

    theres a guy named Yuhu who by balancing his neuros, his hormones was able to cure all his symptoms. Theres also chris who took the same exact approach. There also numerous other people on other forums who suffer similar symptoms as us and solve them by fixing their hormones.

    With respect to your penis being unresponsive in my case when SE was at its worse i ahd similar symptoms. After abstaining for a while and only having sex it basically went away. thats all i can say about that though.

    I no my problems come down tto low serotonin, low GABA, low dopamine , mediocore testosterone and slightly to high E2. without testing I would still be reading Dr. Lin and richards hoping to figure out a cure.

    #115409

    Bob

    also when you said ur hormones are good what does that mean?

    Are they simpley in range? cuse that dosnt mean shit

    #115508

    Ellsworth

    One of the major problems is that conventional lab testing isn’t extensive enough especially when DHT is concerned it can be present in the body but if its metabolites aren’t then DHT might as well had been absent in the first place. There happens to be 2 alpha reductase enzymes not just one and the second one has be present in order to break down DHT into…………(3-alpha-diol) it just so happens that this is the one that has a direct affect on dopaminergic neurons in the brain. This has something to do with the electricity down stairs. Propecia users suffered for years before finding the culprit of their problems. Doctors as we all know practically don’t give a F*ck as it is and finding a lab that will test for this can be quite costly like a few grand atleast. I would post the link but don’t have it if you want to read about this for yourself its in the propecia forum some where.

    I’m not trying to over think things here and make them more complicated than they already are but I think its highly possible that for some of us our symptoms correlate to those of propecia users especially when there is no orgasm present, no spontaneous or morning wood and watery semen etc. It could be that we have issues with the liver thats just not as simple as supplementing with Choline or Alpha GPC I wish it was or we would have been out of this mess along time ago. Until doctors aknowledge that DHT has to be metabolized by the body properly and not just test for it alone some of us will be suffering for years to come. This is one of the reasons Dr Lin and Richards and their products won’t do shit for you.

    As far as damaged nerves are concerned I think ElectroAcupunture and maybe Cranial Sacral Therapy would offer us the most hope in that regard I myself gained some benefits from regular acupuncture but it just wasn’t enough and the treatments have to be numerous and consistant and are too expensive so I had to discontinue.

    I do believe Yoga and Tai Chi are good to practice and affective but it could take 10 years chanting Um Mani Padme Hum and doing breathing excercises to get back to normal. Plus most of the food thats on the market these days is not USDA organic and if you over 30 like me the odds are against you greatly in healing naturally. Anyways I wish the best of luck to everyone who attempts over comming this disease in what ever path they choose. I’ve not given up but hope is growing dim and this maybe something I will have to live with.

    #115596

    Wilton

    dude there are meds to take for thyroid, meds for adrenals. Not supplements, but meds like cortef, dhea, armor.. shit that you gotta take for life, but whatever. If that doesn’t work out, then there’s TRT. Also for life, but it’ll most likely cure you (together with other necessary shit).

    So even if you can’t find luck with the natural route, there’s always the medication route, which should help to some degree at least. So you don;t really have to live with this. If my supplements don’t work, and meds don’t work, I’ll jump on TRT right away. It has ‘cured’ like 5 people on this forum…

    As for the original poster, post all your test results here. Blood tests and aminos and hormones and everything. People will analyze them.

    My dick is also numb on some days when it’s shrunken somewhat. Then other days it comes back to perfectly normal. So the numbness doesn’t say shit. It’s most likely temporary.

    #115644

    Edward

    js367124

    Can you point me to their posts that explained their recoveries?

    My symptom is such that my penis feels a piece of rubber. I had urge to touch it always and when I touch it, it feels similar to the sensation I get when I squeeze my finger and it does bring about a little erotic feeling but only so little. Basically it’s nothing normal,rather, its a piece of rubber.

    It has led me to concluded that some nervous path way has been cut off or damaged. I am an Electrical Engineer by training. I don’t think it’s particularly hard to engorge an organ. It’s basically pumping and shutting down the valve.

    If hormones are off balance, then what would likely be occurring is that you will feel like losing erection strength and feeling, instead of complete change of feeling. It’s like sending a signal over a noise channel, if reception is getting weaker, it might be due to lower signal strength (hormones and neuron transmitters). However, if you are getting complete noise, it’s probably because you have a really noisy channel, or your reception unit/generator unit is completely fucked up.

    I am inclined to believe that in my case, it’s the the nerves downstairs had been damaged due to the change of feeling from touching the penis. In addition, since the change was abrupt for me. This again reinforces the idea that it’s not the signal generator unit that is fucked up, instead, it’s path way that’s had major failure.

    I am in China right now. I had some testings done. Apparently it’s a major issue in China these days because the Chinese had apparently thrown away all its traditional wisdom in favor of complete liberation of pretty much everything. There’s a moral and ethical void in China. Even tho Traditional Chinese Medicine has known this for ages. Few young people were educated about this issue.

    #115662

    Rudy

    Machine

    My motivation has gone way up after a year of abstinence. I am going to US 2011 after Chinese new year. I would be getting a job to support myself while devoting a large part of my time into male sex dysfunction research. This issue has crippled my life and I (and all of us) have to stare at it in the face and figure out why.

    #115776

    Eli

    js367124

    I had a few tests done in China. I don’t have anything major show up, except for a fatty liver. I dont know how to translate it.

    I dont think it’s gonna solve anything. I am feeling better from abstinence and can actually sit down write these responses. I am in much better shape than a year ago.

    An old Chinese Doctor told me that the more you use it, the faster you lose. Everyone has a set amount. A famous Taiwanese TV show host publicly acknowledged that he has ED due to excessive sex and that it seems everybody has a set amount and he’s used to too fast and too early.

    Apparently these statements are true, according to my and your experiences as well. I had seen cases where 19 year olds getting SE while men in their 70 still have a sex life.

    If these things held true, then it must be that we either lose the fuel, or we lose the machine.

    The fuel in this case are hormones and neurotransmitters. I don’t think you can run out of them. They are chemicals that you can regenerate unless you have some kind of diseases that prevent their production. However, we are all healthy people physically to begin with and the only problem we had is over masturbation. (I don’t smoke, nor do any drugs. I don’t drink except for last year. )

    Therefore it must be that due to intensive chemical reactions that are taking place. Some parts are simply burnt out.

    My brain is perfectly fine and still reacts to erotic thoughts. My libido is recovering and getting normal. Yet my erection is not there. When I have erection by manual stimulation. It feels forced, unnatural and almost painful, not to mention it’s soft. So my bet is that the nerve that controls erection has been burn out. This might be the path way, or some subconscious nerve/brain system that is in the spine, or human brain stem.

    #115803

    Sammy

    I don’t understand why you’re trying to reinvent the bicycle and trying to figure out what’s wrong with you simply based on observation.

    Once again have you been tested for:

    serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, gaba, taurine, glycine, histamine, cortisol 4x, dhea, progesterone, DHT, testosterone, estradiol, thyroid t3, t4, amino acids, sghb, metabobism, liver.. and so on??

    Until you’ve seen all these results, you have no clue what’s happening with your body. Based on what your describing, the soft erections are probably caused by low testosterone and high estradiol ratio, and the rubbery penis is probably caused by that too in combination with something else off like adrenals (dhea), or t3 or t4..

    “he fuel in this case are hormones and neurotransmitters. I don’t think you can run out of them. They are chemicals that you can regenerate unless you have some kind of diseases that prevent their production.”

    Actually you can run out of them. Most people here have low hormones and neurotransmitters due to various reasons. My issue started after taking ecstasy a few times in a row, not even over masturbation… so it depleted me of adrenal hormones and so on… maybe other people have liver poisoning, hypothyroid.. a lot of things can bring similar symptoms.. that’s why you NEED to get lab tested.

    “(I don’t smoke, nor do any drugs. I don’t drink except for last year.”

    In your case your E2 probably went up significantly at one point and thats when your problems started. Could have been due to some foods you eat and plastics..

    If you get tested and it does turn out that your testosterone is low and estrogen is high. Then you can choose to go on TRT. You inject testosterone, your testosterone goes up, and your E2 will go up even higher. Then you DIM or arimidex to keep E2 low, and HCG to keep your balls functioning properly. and THATS IT. you’re good as new.. the nerves will come back to normal right away (I hope).

    So guys lets drop the negativity.. You have a full time job.. get all the damn tests done through a US lab. It’s expensive but its necessary.

    Read up all about TRT on this site, type in Yuhu in search and read his story, type in Chris, type in Max, type in Akgstone… its all there.

    #115887

    Jesse

    listen to my testing story…..I tested hormones, neurotransmitters, amino acids.

    My testosterone has been tested about 5 times and it usually comes in at about 475 or so. My E2 was tested once and came in around 34. This makes for a pretty shity T to E ratio and explains my rare and weak morning erections . My DHEA, and DHT were ok. Also you guys talk about nerve damage. When i first found out about SE i thought that might be the case. However since then iv realized thats not the case and my erections are highly dependent on my T level. When my T was aroudn 515 at one point this summer i literally would get rock hard erections at the slightest simulation from my ex. SO its not that your parasympathetic nerves are burnt out or broken or something.

    I tested adrenal hormones and my cortisol was fine but my norepinephrine, epinephrine, and dopamine were very low.

    We tested neurotransmitters and every single one was low. Dopamine, serotonin, GABA, PEA, , epinephrine, norepinephrine were all very low.

    I tested my amino acids and my doctor and I thought tyrosine, tryptophan, and glutamine were all gona be very low since their respective neurotransmitters were low. However we were surprized and they all came back middle of the range. However phenylalaline was highly elevated. After doing alot of research its clear that I have amino acid conversion issues and most likely iam deficient in the cofactor for tyrosine hydroxylase and tryptophan hydroxylase and its called BH4.

    For now iam on a protocol to induce higher methylation and increase Bh4 through natural means however if this dosnt work out ill most likely be getting the prescription drug KUvan which is BH4 and is the only way to get it.

    anyway for the time being thats not important. My point is iv seen all the same people that frenchiman mentioned heal and they all did it the way he described. they tested their hormones and amino acid and neurotransmitter deficiencies. Im unfortuanate in the fact that my case seems more complicated but if i hadnt gotten tested i would have no idea where to even begin. Abstaining in my case is really not gona do shit except make me feel a little mentally better for showing perseverance and strength of will.

    I beleive that when i raise my testosterone and lower my E2 my erections will become significantly better.

    I believe that if im responsive to Kuvan ill be able to figure out my neurotransmitter problems through amino acids/and or 5htp/Ldopa/caribidopa.

    please get tested. the more of us that get tested the more actuall knowledge will have about this fucking condition. No guy sould have to live like this and we have the tools to heal this.

    also in case you were wondering…..my problems are highly related to my 2 exstacy highs, my 3 or 4 ssris uses, overmasterbation, and extensive marijauana use. its clear the drugs fucked up my dopamine/serotonin system and fucked up all sorts of shit in my body. Possibly made me Bh4 defecient i dont know.

    #115949

    Shad

    listen to my testing story…..I tested hormones, neurotransmitters, amino acids.

    My testosterone has been tested about 5 times and it usually comes in at about 475 or so. My E2 was tested once and came in around 34. This makes for a pretty shity T to E ratio and explains my rare and weak morning erections . My DHEA, and DHT were ok. Also you guys talk about nerve damage. When i first found out about SE i thought that might be the case. However since then iv realized thats not the case and my erections are highly dependent on my T level. When my T was aroudn 515 at one point this summer i literally would get rock hard erections at the slightest simulation from my ex. SO its not that your parasympathetic nerves are burnt out or broken or something.

    I tested adrenal hormones and my cortisol was fine but my norepinephrine, epinephrine, and dopamine were very low.

    We tested neurotransmitters and every single one was low. Dopamine, serotonin, GABA, PEA, , epinephrine, norepinephrine were all very low.

    I tested my amino acids and my doctor and I thought tyrosine, tryptophan, and glutamine were all gona be very low since their respective neurotransmitters were low. However we were surprized and they all came back middle of the range. However phenylalaline was highly elevated. After doing alot of research its clear that I have amino acid conversion issues and most likely iam deficient in the cofactor for tyrosine hydroxylase and tryptophan hydroxylase and its called BH4.

    For now iam on a protocol to induce higher methylation and increase Bh4 through natural means however if this dosnt work out ill most likely be getting the prescription drug KUvan which is BH4 and is the only way to get it.

    anyway for the time being thats not important. My point is iv seen all the same people that frenchiman mentioned heal and they all did it the way he described. they tested their hormones and amino acid and neurotransmitter deficiencies. Im unfortuanate in the fact that my case seems more complicated but if i hadnt gotten tested i would have no idea where to even begin. Abstaining in my case is really not gona do shit except make me feel a little mentally better for showing perseverance and strength of will.

    I beleive that when i raise my testosterone and lower my E2 my erections will become significantly better.

    I believe that if im responsive to Kuvan ill be able to figure out my neurotransmitter problems through amino acids/and or 5htp/Ldopa/caribidopa.

    please get tested. the more of us that get tested the more actuall knowledge will have about this fucking condition. No guy sould have to live like this and we have the tools to heal this.

    also in case you were wondering…..my problems are highly related to my 2 exstacy highs, my 3 or 4 ssris uses, overmasterbation, and extensive marijauana use. its clear the drugs fucked up my dopamine/serotonin system and fucked up all sorts of shit in my body. Possibly made me Bh4 defecient i dont know.

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