Neurasthenia Disorder – Sounds a lot like SE

Sexual Reboot Forum Neurasthenia Disorder – Sounds a lot like SE

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  • #13927

    Jewell

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    Gee….I wonder why it’s mostly seen in males.

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    #13928

    Gary

    sounds very far fetched

    #13930

    Ashley

    Why do you say far fetched? The symptoms are very similar to the SE we are experiencing.

    SE seems to be primarily a problem with the nervous system, leading to hormone imbalances.

    I would have never thought that masturbation causes eye floaters, tinnitus, anxiety, heart palpations and all the problems we are experiencing…..so nothing is far-fetched to me.

    Stress is implicated in Neurasthenia as well.

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    Marc

    Why do you say far fetched? The symptoms are very similar to the SE we are experiencing.

    SE seems to be primarily a problem with the nervous system, leading to hormone imbalances.

    I would have never thought that masturbation causes eye floaters, tinnitus, anxiety, heart palpations and all the problems we are experiencing…..so nothing is far-fetched to me.

    Stress is implicated in Neurasthenia as well.

    first the symptoms of SD- I prefer to call it that- are very similar to a wide variety of deficiencies/health problems, and I’d only consider Neurasthenia after eliminating the rest of the stuff.

    second its actually quite the opposite. the hormonal imbalances are the main problem and then everything spills out from there.

    #13932

    Zachariah

    I prefer to call it SE, because exhaustion emphasises that it is much more than sexual dysfunction. I’d give up sex for life if I could eliminate all the exhaustion symptoms that come along with this hell. Extreme physical weakness, muscle loss, light sensitivity, tinnitus so bad I can’t sleep some nights, anxiety, zero emotions like I am a zombie. I have no joy, sadness, excitement…nothing. My skin is very sluggish, my eyebrows are almost gone and I look like hell. So describing this as sexual dysfunction misses about 80% of the health problems.

    I’m not sure why you are so convinced that hormone problems lead the way. Dr. Braverman seems to think the opposite, that nervous system and neurotransmitter problems come first.

    If SE was primarily a hormone problem, it should be easy to solve with hormone replacement therapy….but it isn’t. I tried testosterone patches and it didn’t do a thing. That’s why I think hormone imbalance is secondary to something else. I think that something else is the nervous system.

    It seems much more likely to me that by constantly stressing your nervous system, your para-sympathetic nervous system becomes weak and causes the body to become extremely sympathetic. When your body is sympathetic all the time, you can’t get yourself out of fight of flight. Stress hormones start to be chronically high. Then chronically high cortisol starts to cause tissue damage resulting the in skin and hair loss problems some of us have.

    #13933

    Chet

    I prefer to call it SE, because exhaustion emphasises that it is much more than sexual dysfunction. I’d give up sex for life if I could eliminate all the exhaustion symptoms that come along with this hell. Extreme physical weakness, muscle loss, light sensitivity, tinnitus so bad I can’t sleep some nights, anxiety, zero emotions like I am a zombie. I have no joy, sadness, excitement…nothing. My skin is very sluggish, my eyebrows are almost gone and I look like hell. So describing this as sexual dysfunction misses about 80% of the health problems.

    I’m not sure why you are so convinced that hormone problems lead the way. Dr. Braverman seems to think the opposite, that nervous system and neurotransmitter problems come first.

    If SE was primarily a hormone problem, it should be easy to solve with hormone replacement therapy….but it isn’t. I tried testosterone patches and it didn’t do a thing. That’s why I think hormone imbalance is secondary to something else. I think that something else is the nervous system.

    It seems much more likely to me that by constantly stressing your nervous system, your para-sympathetic nervous system becomes weak and causes the body to become extremely sympathetic. When your body is sympathetic all the time, you can’t get yourself out of fight of flight. Stress hormones start to be chronically high. Then chronically high cortisol starts to cause tissue damage resulting the in skin and hair loss problems some of us have.

    if it is the nervous system and the neurotransmitters that are the main issues as Dr Braveman says believe me I would have solved it ages ago. balancing the neurotransmitters and restoring the parasympathetic mode of the body is the easiest thing I’ve done during my recovery. hell, eating the right type of food can affect your parasympathetic mode. I believe the nervous issue is a secondary thing and it comes into play when your hormones become severely depleted. The hormonal issue is much more complex because everything seems to be inter-related one way or the other and often involved with a cascade of reactions. knowing which hormone to treat and how to treat it is no easy task.

    and as far as calling it SE or SD, I believe its more of SD. clearly our bodies have malfunctioned.

    #13934

    Ezekiel

    hey frank, seems like you have severe symptoms. since you’ve tried a lot of remedies without success why not try fasting especially the lemonade fast? it seems to relieve quite a bit of symptoms. i tried it for 5 days and some symptoms disappeared but maybe if you have the will power, you can try the 90 day one (stanley burroughs). i think theres something there..

    #13935

    David

    First, i think “Sexual Neurasthenia” a good keyword because it’s a term recognized and refered to “nervous exhaustion”. This means that “Sexual Neurasthenia” is clearly a depletion of the nervous system then neurotransmitters.

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    That’s a good point . You say rebalancing neurotransmitters is easy but hormons is hard. But hormons are easier to test with the blood exam. That’s a big advantage too. “My” doc (that which recognize SE and dopamine role) ask me to make a bloodtest before and after orgasm.

    Now, we must to know which hormons must and can be tested :

    – Testosterone

    – FSH

    – LH

    – Prolactin

    – DHT

    – DHEA

    – Cortisol

    – ACTH

    – Corticosterone

    – B7

    – B12

    other ?

    All is linked but i think some can be balanced (especialy testosterone)

    #13936

    Williams

    Man, I don’t know about fasting. I think my body needs all the nutrients it can get.

    I’ve done some heavy duty liver and colon cleanses. They didn’t really help. I don’t think detoxifying is a major part of SE. I could be wrong, but it didn’t seem to do anything for me.

    What symptoms got better when you fasted? I just don’t understand how starving yuorself can help a body that is already weak.

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    Andrea

    I agree with Frank. Fasting is surely interesting, but it may be more suitable for people with no serious deficiency and weakness. The good effects can be result of the temporary energy increase, when your digestive system and organs do not need to assimilate and process new nutrients. Healthy persons have so effective system, that their bodies do mini-cleansing every day unless they eat too harsh or phlegm forming foods too much.

    Eating a solid diet which does not burden the digestive system too much might be better for weak persons, instead of being without nourishment altogether.

    #13938

    Lenny

    well, it’s not total fasting…juice fasting mostly. this means that the juice gives you all the nutrients and energy while your colon rests. the digestion process is said to take about 30% of the body’s energy just by digesting. the point is to give your colon, and hence liver(and other organs) a rest…and in the process the body diverts it’s energies to repairing. actually this is usually a first line treatment in prostate-related issues. i don’t think it can hurt if done with fresh juices. it’s recommended at least once a year

    theres plenty of research available, just look it up. another advantage is that once it’s over you can start introducing foods/supplements into your system one by one to see whats causing problems and whats working

    my symptoms that improved include…reduced groin pain, no sperm discharge after shitting. but then again i took a 2 week break from work so this may help too

    #13939

    Devon

    the cleanses are very useful. I used one for my sluggish liver and editman’s pdf about curing prostitis I gave to my father. he said his symptoms improved a great deal and he felt much better afterwards.

    #13940

    Carlton

    Well…. I just received a copy of this book from 1900, 5th edition.

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    This IS Sexual Exhaustion. In fact, this Western neurologist was using the term sexual exhaustion in 1880’s I’ll type in some of the text.

    “That the symptoms of sexual excess can occur in the married as well as the unmarried is illustrated by the following case, which I saw with Dr. M. Joseph Roberts:

    Case I.

    The patient was an engineer on a railway, and had been married for 10 years. Two years after marraige he began to have involuntary emissions, which followed to excess. He had indulged in coitus on the average of five times weekly for two years. When he was first brought to me the emissions were occurring two and three times weekly; there was also a diminishing pleasure of normal intercourse. He was troubles likewise with stomach vertigo and nausea, muscae volitantes, and asthenopia. Sometimes the involuntary emissions would occur right after coition. There was a roaring sound in the ears, a feeling as if a band were around the head, and a sensation of coldness at the vertex- the cranial center, as I term it. There was constipation and much backache and spasm of the right eyelid

    Case V

    A young man, 22 years of age, had pain in the head, wandering pains in various parts of the body; ringing in the ears without any deafness or signs of objective trouble in the ears. He was troubled sometimes with emissions. He was very strong, muscular, and capable of working, and did work on the farm. He was troubled with vertigo, very much troubled with palpitation of the heart as well as fear of society, which he found impossible to overcome. He was also troubled with fits of depression, especially on getting up in the morning; as he expressed it, “I have a kind of fear of something which I cannot express” (pantaphobia). There was a lack of mental control an a deficiency of memory. With all this, there is was good appetite, regular bowels, and usually good sleep. The fact of interest in this case was the co-existence of palpitation of the heart and other nervous phenomena, with great muscular strength and great power for hard work. This patient entirely recovered, under treatment, in a short time. Examination of urine fuond excess of oxalates, which is a frequent fact in this form of neurasthia.

    Case VII

    A young man,29 years of age, told me that at the age of thirteen he began the habit of masturbation, and kept it up for five years. He says he learned the habit himself, which is a peculiar statement, inasmuch as almost all say they were taught the habit by schoolmates or servant girls. He confessed that he indulged for several times a day for six years. At the age of nineteen involuntary emissions began. At the age of twenty-two he began to be very nervous.

    His symptoms were cardiac irritability, the heart beating on going up-stairs, or walking rapidly; getting out of breath even in conversation; dimness of vision; at times coming and going in a capricious way; mental depression; defective memory; fear of lightning; drowsiness; feeling of wetness and coldness of genital organs, as though water were passing out; pain in the lumbar region; weakness of the knees. In attempting to urinate, oftentimes only a very little urine would come at a time. After coitus he would have prickling and burning at the bottoms of the feet………..The parts were examined and found to be laxed; the scrotum was relaxed, and the testicles were small and soft.

    Case X

    A man ages 33…….at one time had frequent emissions. He had been mentally depressed, his eye were very sensitive. He had trouble with dribbling urine after the act of urinating was complete, and the penis, on examination, was found to be cold, and sometimes very much shrunken – what I call the shrunken penis…..

    AND CHECK THIS ONE OUT!

    Case XXIII

    The following case shows also how sexual debility may exist in persons of great muscular strength. A gentleman thirty-seven years of age, an athlete, powerful, and distinguished in the gymnasium, large frame, though not very tall, consulted me two or three years ago for symptoms of sexual debility, which he feared might prevent his marriage. ……Yada Yada

    THERE ARE SEVERAL CASES WHERE HE MENTIONS HOW STRONG THE PATIENT WAS.

    Case XXIV

    A young man, 33 years of age, began the habit of self abuse at the age of 17. after 3 years, he stopped; then cam involuntary emission. When he consulted me in the fall of 1878, …… He had a good pulse and an unusually strong stomach, firm muscles, and capacity for severe and protracted muscular toil in his trade.

    IT IS INTERESTING. I JUST GOT THE BOOK, SO I HAVEN’T READ IF HE MAKES A CONNECTION TO HEAVY WORK OR EXCESSIVE EXERCISE. BUT MANY OF HIS PATIENTS SEEMED TO BE MUSCLE BOUND, EITHER FROM HARD WORK OR EXERCISE.

    THE CASES GO ON AND ON. AS I READ THE BOOK, I’LL PASS ON MORE INFORMATION.

    #13941

    Damian

    The other thing that is amazing is how MANY times he must have seen this before he put the picture together.

    #13942

    Chauncey

    I sure would like to know the diet and treatment he recommends.

    this still doesn’t explain the big picture though

    his muscle bound patients, were they all masturbating as well?

    another interesting thing is that they all seem to masturbate at such an early stage. I started at 20 and thought that was early. we have guys starting at 13!!

    also muscle-building = nervous disorder is a bit obscure. Given there are other people who weight-lift and don’t suffer from these problems mentioned makes me wonder what other problems those guys were specifically having?

    #13943

    Jackie

    The information u presented is highly interesting, I really like all this old books and methods, they seem to know a lot more about many diseases than todays western doctors. The above quoted patient has the classic symptoms of nervous exhaustion / sexual exhaustion. The symptoms were same as mine…

    Please quote more if there is more interesting info on the book.

    #13944

    Wallace

    Yes, they are all mastubators. But many also seem to have been abnormally hard workers on the farm or the one who sounded freakishly strong at the gym. (This was me. I was 150 lb and benched more than most of the guys who weighed 225-lb. I could incline press their body weight for 10-reps and they couldn’t. One guy used to call me the “ant”). So again, by itself, weigh lifting is probably not that bad, although it’s no secret that power lifters have a reduced life span. But for the average guy, it seems that heavy exercise or work might accelerate the damage from excessive sex/masturbation.

    I think the connection might be that by heavy lifting, hormones and neurotransmitters are called into action. You are basically putting yourself in fight or flight. If they are called into action too often, organs get tired and wear out.

    One thing I have noticed is then when I exercise now, my penis gets even smaller. Someone else mentioned that on this forum before as well. It’s almost like my body is directing hormones/neurotransmitters away from my genitals to my muscles to cope with the exercise.

    #13945

    Josh

    Yes, they are all mastubators. But many also seem to have been abnormally hard workers on the farm or the one who sounded freakishly strong at the gym. (This was me. I was 150 lb and benched more than most of the guys who weighed 225-lb. I could incline press their body weight for 10-reps and they couldn’t. One guy used to call me the “ant”). So again, by itself, weigh lifting is probably not that bad, although it’s no secret that power lifters have a reduced life span. But for the average guy, it seems that heavy exercise or work might accelerate the damage from excessive sex/masturbation.

    I think the connection might be that by heavy lifting, hormones and neurotransmitters are called into action. You are basically putting yourself in fight or flight. If they are called into action too often, organs get tired and wear out.

    One thing I have noticed is then when I exercise now, my penis gets even smaller. Someone else mentioned that on this forum before as well. It’s almost like my body is directing hormones/neurotransmitters away from my genitals to my muscles to cope with the exercise.

    this is clearly over-training and CNS burnout. The heavy lifting itself is not the source of the problem like you said because I too was lifting some very heavy weights up. I know also that neurotransmitters can be used up but they can be equally replenished- I think the problem is ,out of ignorance, we were doing everything else in the wrong manner.

    after a weight-training session I always feel horny and my penis is bigger in the flaccid state.

    However, I’m curious as to why you think powerlifters have a short life span.

    #13946

    Abel

    So, what kind of treatment methods are provided on the book. Have you yet had time to read it? I guess eating eggs and stopping masturbation at least, the older links of Max included those and they were from 1900s too.

    #13947

    Johnathan

    Not yet…I just got it last night

    #13948

    Kasey

    It could be over-masturbators have a lot of dopamine, which give them lots of energy for libido and there also tend to be hard workers or excessive exercisers. I know that physical or mental stress will make SE symptoms worse. As noted in my log, my biggest setback was after a one week shutdown at a plant where I had to run up and down stairs all week trying to supervise multiple projects. It was mentally stressful as well as physically stressful. At the end of the week, my eye floaters were MUCH worse, I was having heart palpations, my groin pain was very bad, I lost a bunch of muscle, I was super depressed. Whatever the mechanism, it did the exact same damage (or made it worse) that masturbation does. I hadn’t touched my penis all week since I was too busy working 16-hr days.

    Any form of excessive exercise decreases lifespan.

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    Many years ago, I just remember hearing about power lifters having a short lifespan. To become a power lifter, you pretty much have to exercise excessively

    #13949

    Stan

    The issue of whether building significant muscle mass or BB is beneficial or detrimental for longevity/life-span is interesting.

    There is a lot of evidence showing that extra muscle mass is not needed, and the CR folks are probably all in this camp. Then there’s a lot of evidence showing that muscle adds a lot of benefits to the body, such as temperature control, stronger bones and connective tissue (tendons, etc.), better blood sugar control (which goes further to impact cortisol), and many more. And, you can’t overlook the fact that being stronger, in itself, is a survival advantage.

    Then there’s the practical side of the equation: muscle is fun. Muscle allows me to enjoy life by giving me the strength to do snow skiing and many other activities.

    Oxidative stress can indeed be balanced and counter-attacked. As for ”excessive” that is interesting because power-lifters are known to lift 2-3 times their body-weight which makes me wonder if that is too much. the fact that their able to do that tells us however that their bodies must have adapted and capable of handling the loads- otherwise one would think that they wouldn’t be where they are now.

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