SAM-e is the shit

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  • #9690

    Arnulfo

    I just bought it yesterday and after only taking it twice, I already feel tremendous positive effects. I’m much more relaxed and centered, and have an overall sense of well being. I highly recommend it to anyone who has a history of heavy drinking or any sort of liver problems, and recommend looking into it regardless. By far the best supplement I’ve ever come across. Honestly way better than a lot of drugs out, and has lasting effects and no side effects for the most part 🙂

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    #9696

    Lawrence

    yea Chris was telling me SAM-e helps the liver and also helps raise serotonin levels.

    He told me if the liver is clogged (undermethylating) like in my case, than the SAM-e will be ineffective because methylation pathways need to be open for it to work. I took it for 2 weeks before and felt very little so thats probably why.

    So the fact that its working for you alex probably means your methylation pathways are not messed up, which is one less thing for you to worry about. So its probably boosted your serotonin levels and you feel more centred and happy. Glad to hear its working out.

    Also I don’t know if you know you’re supposed to take SAMe on an empty stomach because with food stomach acids will somehow render it useless. So its tough remembering to take it in between meals and kind of annoying.. but we gotta do what we gotta do. I’ll start taking it as soon as I’ve taken B12 and folate for a few weeks for liver.

    #9700

    Tobias

    Till you get the cycle spinning then you are really screwed because of down stream of unknown altered pathways. This happens in majority of cases. Feel good then you crash. Need to look up stream not down stream at enyzmatic pathways.

    #9707

    Thaddeus

    So with 23andme I would be able to know which methyldonors etc I need to take and which ones to avoid? Because its pretty obvious I need to avoid something in that formulation I took in the past. Or it was detox. But if THAT its detox, then wow.

    Methylation and genetics its obviously part of this horrid puzzle so its important to set clear this corner.

    #9713

    Tim

    Great. Thanks for the info Shawnnnnn. Maybe Steve and I, we will fly to USA to work with you! lol Probably there wont be need for that though

    #9716

    Tanner

    Uhhh that kind of sucks, im doing psychotherapy via Skype and it loses… the human touch. Haha.

    But yeah I know that there is that possibility. First I need to start gaining money as this illness its a economical black-hole and my parents can only help so much. And shit, I need to use the forces I seem to be reganing. This is autoimmune, and that means time plays against me. Maybe against US, guys…

    #9723

    Jim

    so where does the Liver detoxification pathways that is done by Meta-matrix stand? ist useful or just waste of time?

    iam talking specifically in evaluating the liver in general.

    #9728

    Kristopher

    He means that specific test isnt useles, , as it tests for liver SNP´s that are useful. Like the Detoxigenomic or Estrogenomic Genova Pabel. But 23andme its more general and comprehensive.

    A word for frenchi and lee. Steve have already discovered he has high dopamine, high estrogen and high adrenaline because of genetics.

    #9733

    Brice

    Yes! He will benefit from DIM… but of what more?

    #9736

    Harland

    [quote=””]Yes! He will benefit from DIM… but of what more?[/quot

    DIM not good, not with potential CBS. Not yet at least…Still other things need identifying and addressing. Playing with fire one can get burned, You think TRT is hard. This stuff makes TRT look like nothing. Even has the potential to kill some body in the process if not careful

    #9743

    Wilfred

    so if i discovered a single mutation in one of my DNA nucleus , what are the available options to deal with.

    there is a couple of procedure like cut and paste which edits the mutated gene, or remove it completely…but ist credible?

    #9746

    Edmond

    The founder of MTHFR.net Dr Ben Lynch is no longer excepting new clients . He is going to spend more time on research. He’s referring me and another guy his clients. So after these next one or 2 weeks I will not have time to fart I will be so busy LOL. Why I have not been on is because I have been busy and have been networking with the best names in the business.

    #9747

    Leland

    Yeah,

    lets hope nothing comes after genetics..Iam overloaded

    #9750

    Jae

    ,

    but you haven’t answered my question about what is the most possible and credible approach in dealing with mutation?

    anway …good luck

    all the wish’s

    #9754

    Kim

    Need to identify the snps then know what effect it has on the body which is a huge domino effect. You can circumvent the gene expression, by will never get rid of it.

    #9756

    Dwayne

    very interesting i see this thread on my first return back here. i JUST BOUGHT sam-e like an hour ago and I haven’t been on this forum for a few months… let alone did I know you guys were all over methylation. i actually found my way into methylation through another forum.

    here’s the protocol i found:

    http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

    not sure if you guys covered it, but could be good for those of u who dont know, but just though i would chime in here.

    #9759

    Christian

    Your playing with fire and as many others they are going to get burned …I have many clients who have learned the hard way. Few almost ended up potentially killing them selves from suicidal thoughts coming out of no where. This is not hormones you are playing with its a much more complex system then that. This manipulation effects all the systems in the body mainly the immune system and neurotransmitters. Most clients I get are from forums and are pretty f up from peoples recommendations thinking they know what they are doing, but have little clue. I have been preaching methylation for close to 8 years now. People thought I was a crack pot with my far out methylation post. Well, the shit is going to hit the fan with national media coming in as well as putting together a conference of over 500 medical professionals probably close to 1,000 drs I will be speaking as well as other methylation advocates. I am already training Drs, and doing a lot of one on one trainings with Dr in field of methylation.

    #9761

    Drew

    can you post some threads or information on showing people who got burned by this? this is the first time i have read information like this. not discounting you, but will need real facts.

    from what i have read and have emailed about, negative effects that happen are more from your body’s detox pathways finally opening up and you are just experiencing a reaction to that, but you will recover more over time.

    i can imagine though someone can crash pretty hard though if they overdo the masturbation. it seems like when people are on an artificial “high” and feeling more normal, they can masturbate too much and get worse than before. this i think people should be responsible with and not over masturbate.

    can you please show me some real info on this or examples where this happened? i really need more information if what you saying is indeed true.

    also, what is the time frame on these “crashes”? like you supplmenet with many things then crash in a week, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years?

    and what is the risky parts of this? i don’t see how taking B vitamins are risky which would support the methylation cycle, so where do you draw the line?

    and veyr good website MTHFR.net, i haven’t ever seen it before… not sure if this gene mutation explains everything tho. have people tested positive for this on this forum?

    #9766

    Sol

    why do you not boost glutathione? what dose is dangerous to do this? glutathione is one of the body’s most potent anti oxidants, how is this dangerous?

    again, do you have more research into what you saying that I can read more in depth info on?

    #9775

    Percy

    I see… But you only need knowing your genetics? You dont need a blood test of your current methylation status or something? They say in the pathogenesis its 25% genetics and 75% enviroment, accidents, and lifestyle.

    #9778

    Rhett

    Its 25% genetics but this effect down stream of all hormones. I no longer test for food allergies, or deal with adrenal issues using crazy ass adrenal support protocols. We live in a society of silent inflammation, we need to put the fire out at the source….the genetic level..

    #9779

    Raymundo

    Its 25% genetics but this effect down stream of all hormones. I no longer test for food allergies, or deal with adrenal issues using crazy ass adrenal support protocols. We live in a society of silent inflammation, we need to put the fire out at the source….the genetic level..

    Allright. Wish you the best and that you become someone able to help others at a bigger level. Probably I will contact you when I have my 23andme results. Sorry for the prior rants hehe

    Now I wonder about the importance of stool testing in this puzzle. For parasites its useless, leaky gut I already know I have, pancreatic enzymes , lack of bile or hypochlorhydria I already know I have (undigested food in stool)… Trying to address all those issues.

    #9780

    Harold

    I’m hetero for the MTHFR A1298,have CBS,COMT,MAO A mutations too.

    Bryce,don’t question Hans.He is one of the reason I’m starting the recovery.If you search back he is the one first mentioning ‘methylation’ on this forum while me the Pyrrole disorder.He just knows his stuff like Dr. House But instead of poisonous antibiotics and hormones,he recommends nutritional balancing and supplementation so you reach your destination without the side effects of pharma poisons.

    Btw. I have EXCESSIVE SAMe.GET TESTED!

    #9781

    Lewis

    I have access to all that testing now. Unlike I did before. As for stool, I just do a full GI protocol (having paper getting ready to publish in a few months) which includes a full spectrum sweep. If things are still lingering then you test. This has saved many people $400 bucks which was not needed. What we are recommended is based upon research, but there are some areas where it is trial and error unfortunatlely. One can try to minimize supplements as much as possible to avoid un wanted side effects. Bio individuality plays a huge role. Now we are getting explaination to why people are paradoxical when taking certain supplements. Why I had a meeting with Dr Ben and other memebers was to see if I was on par with capablity of helping with his client over flow. We have an incredible conversation and learned a lot. He is a man who has a true passion of helping people. Hes going to step down to do research no longer consultation. Amazing Other people where mocking me years ago about gut and methylation on ATM. Now its getting ready to go main stream. Now just have to get a few published articles under my belt and a few other things then be good to go… : )

    #9782

    Hiram

    Well it was quite obvious lately the gut and methylation thing. Mostly not because im super intelligent or anything (im not lol took me a while to start seeing reality) but because in other boards like CFS boards they were onto the gut and methylation things years before, backed up by a lot of specialists and doctors not only sufferers.

    #9783

    Jamie

    so if i discovered a single mutation in one of my DNA nucleus , what are the available options to deal with.

    there is a couple of procedure like cut and paste which edits the mutated gene, or remove it completely…but ist credible?

    #9784

    Robin

    The founder of MTHFR.net Dr Ben Lynch is no longer excepting new clients . He is going to spend more time on research. He’s referring me and another guy his clients. So after these next one or 2 weeks I will not have time to fart I will be so busy LOL. Why I have not been on is because I have been busy and have been networking with the best names in the business.

    #9785

    Ike

    Yeah,

    lets hope nothing comes after genetics..Iam overloaded

    #9786

    Jacinto

    ,

    but you haven’t answered my question about what is the most possible and credible approach in dealing with mutation?

    anway …good luck

    all the wish’s

    #9787

    Roderick

    Need to identify the snps then know what effect it has on the body which is a huge domino effect. You can circumvent the gene expression, by will never get rid of it.

    #9788

    Howard

    very interesting i see this thread on my first return back here. i JUST BOUGHT sam-e like an hour ago and I haven’t been on this forum for a few months… let alone did I know you guys were all over methylation. i actually found my way into methylation through another forum.

    here’s the protocol i found:

    http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

    not sure if you guys covered it, but could be good for those of u who dont know, but just though i would chime in here.

    #9789

    Malcom

    Your playing with fire and as many others they are going to get burned …I have many clients who have learned the hard way. Few almost ended up potentially killing them selves from suicidal thoughts coming out of no where. This is not hormones you are playing with its a much more complex system then that. This manipulation effects all the systems in the body mainly the immune system and neurotransmitters. Most clients I get are from forums and are pretty f up from peoples recommendations thinking they know what they are doing, but have little clue. I have been preaching methylation for close to 8 years now. People thought I was a crack pot with my far out methylation post. Well, the shit is going to hit the fan with national media coming in as well as putting together a conference of over 500 medical professionals probably close to 1,000 drs I will be speaking as well as other methylation advocates. I am already training Drs, and doing a lot of one on one trainings with Dr in field of methylation.

    #9791

    Delmer

    can you post some threads or information on showing people who got burned by this? this is the first time i have read information like this. not discounting you, but will need real facts.

    from what i have read and have emailed about, negative effects that happen are more from your body’s detox pathways finally opening up and you are just experiencing a reaction to that, but you will recover more over time.

    i can imagine though someone can crash pretty hard though if they overdo the masturbation. it seems like when people are on an artificial “high” and feeling more normal, they can masturbate too much and get worse than before. this i think people should be responsible with and not over masturbate.

    can you please show me some real info on this or examples where this happened? i really need more information if what you saying is indeed true.

    also, what is the time frame on these “crashes”? like you supplmenet with many things then crash in a week, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years?

    and what is the risky parts of this? i don’t see how taking B vitamins are risky which would support the methylation cycle, so where do you draw the line?

    and veyr good website MTHFR.net, i haven’t ever seen it before… not sure if this gene mutation explains everything tho. have people tested positive for this on this forum?

    #9792

    Patrick

    Do not boost glutathione in majority of people..BIG NO NO…Just about ever person I have dealt with has this issue. You feel good at first then crash 1-2 months down the road.

    #9795

    Josue

    why do you not boost glutathione? what dose is dangerous to do this? glutathione is one of the body’s most potent anti oxidants, how is this dangerous?

    again, do you have more research into what you saying that I can read more in depth info on?

    #9798

    Earl

    It all depend on the person’s biochemistry, and what other hidden factors they are dealing with. Glutathione is suppose to be a good thing, but as I have found it in certain chemistrys its a toxin. Too many variables to consider with out having proper case and medical history of the person. I basically strip people off all supplements then rebuild them from ground up little at a time based upon their own bio individuality. Slow and steady wins the race. With sam-e you are putting a bullet in a gun and playing russian roulette which many people have lost unfortunately. Just 5 years I would have said sam-e was fine, but now I am very hesitant making any recommendation unless knowing all the necessary informatio

    #9801

    Kelley

    I am taking NAC 1800 mgs per day since a month. Im feeling quite good. I assume my GSH its being boosted. Should I expect a crash later on? I should discontinue this?

    Btw guys, the best “cheap” way to sort methylation its the “Simplified Methylation Protocol of Fredd and Richvank for CFS” Some people do well on it, others dont. Thats were genetics come to play. Its much better to know your needs before supplementing, trust me, methylation supplements made me feel better for two weeks then… wooow I was seeing myself in the sanitarium no joke.

    #9811

    Timmy

    Its 25% genetics but this effect down stream of all hormones. I no longer test for food allergies, or deal with adrenal issues using crazy ass adrenal support protocols. We live in a society of silent inflammation, we need to put the fire out at the source….the genetic level..

    Allright. Wish you the best and that you become someone able to help others at a bigger level. Probably I will contact you when I have my 23andme results. Sorry for the prior rants hehe

    Now I wonder about the importance of stool testing in this puzzle. For parasites its useless, leaky gut I already know I have, pancreatic enzymes , lack of bile or hypochlorhydria I already know I have (undigested food in stool)… Trying to address all those issues.

    #9813

    Terrell

    I’m hetero for the MTHFR A1298,have CBS,COMT,MAO A mutations too.

    Bryce,don’t question Hans.He is one of the reason I’m starting the recovery.If you search back he is the one first mentioning ‘methylation’ on this forum while me the Pyrrole disorder.He just knows his stuff like Dr. House But instead of poisonous antibiotics and hormones,he recommends nutritional balancing and supplementation so you reach your destination without the side effects of pharma poisons.

    Btw. I have EXCESSIVE SAMe.GET TESTED!

    #9817

    Pierre

    I have access to all that testing now. Unlike I did before. As for stool, I just do a full GI protocol (having paper getting ready to publish in a few months) which includes a full spectrum sweep. If things are still lingering then you test. This has saved many people $400 bucks which was not needed. What we are recommended is based upon research, but there are some areas where it is trial and error unfortunatlely. One can try to minimize supplements as much as possible to avoid un wanted side effects. Bio individuality plays a huge role. Now we are getting explaination to why people are paradoxical when taking certain supplements. Why I had a meeting with Dr Ben and other memebers was to see if I was on par with capablity of helping with his client over flow. We have an incredible conversation and learned a lot. He is a man who has a true passion of helping people. Hes going to step down to do research no longer consultation. Amazing Other people where mocking me years ago about gut and methylation on ATM. Now its getting ready to go main stream. Now just have to get a few published articles under my belt and a few other things then be good to go… : )

    #9819

    Gavin

    Well it was quite obvious lately the gut and methylation thing. Mostly not because im super intelligent or anything (im not lol took me a while to start seeing reality) but because in other boards like CFS boards they were onto the gut and methylation things years before, backed up by a lot of specialists and doctors not only sufferers.

    #9822

    Elwood

    you have to question everyone and everything on health. especially your own. don’t ever put your full trust into anyone or anything.

    with that said, i was questioning hans trying to get more information on how what is wrong or right. i havent’ even been on this forum for a few months and have all ready been deeply looking into this whole methylation thing without even knowing you guys have been looking into it.. which pretty much confirms my belief that it is true if i have independently found out about it and now you guys are all over it, has to be related.

    @hans, what tests do you recommend to get? someone who isnt me has been on:

    Methylcobalamin 1 mg sublingually

    Methyltetrahydrofolate 800mcg (ActiFolate)

    Pyridoxal-5-phosphate 100mgs (50mgs twice daily)

    Glutathione 250mgs daily

    Phosphatidyl Serine 200mgs (100mgs twice daily) – BioCare

    for just about 2 months and have felt increased mental clarity and have been doing much better than previous. someone who isnt me also took increased dose of iodine actually 2 days ago, and then felt crash effects, but reworked itself out after no iodine.

    (i read on MTHFR about someone who was on armour and had the same types of issues possibly)

    someone who isnt me just bought:

    Lecithin

    sam-e

    to add into the regimen.

    thoughts?

    does anyone have information regarding people that have burned out or had negative side effects with more in depth info? i’m trying to find it, cant find much.

    also, food allergies are huge. altho they may start on the genetic level, they still have an effect on your body when it isn’t working right….

    also, which type of glutathione is bad for you? from the research i’ve read… hardly any of the damn stuff even gets absorbed into your body… so not sure where you are getting this info from if you could elaborate…

    #9823

    Marcel

    Hey bryce just my two cents, high dose iodine will make most of people crash. Reasons for this are uncertain, but those that take high Iodine frequentely argue that its a “detox” reaction from fluoride and bromine. We are all toxic in those today. Others say high dose iodine simply wreaks havoc in the thyroid.

    #9824

    Trenton

    Correcting methylation cycle resolves majority of food allergies because you are balance TH1/th2 as well as T cell and B cells

    Mandatory testing for clients is 23andme. This will allow me to see what supplements are not right for their body and to reduce the hidden inflammation which causes stress on adrenal as well as the total HPTA. From there I work with their Dr to make recommendations to help get them the get best target approach. I prefer to use a layered approach. Is the Dr is throwing more then 2-3 supplements your way then you need to reconsider his methodology. I see many clients on a boat load of supplements which are totally sabbatoging their recovery. DR’s have little clue.. When using introducing changing one or 2 variables every 4-5 days then you will be able to isolate the problem. The end result is quicker recovery, less side effects and less supplementation. In the end less cost and wasted years chasing their tale. 95% of people I work with have active dr on board which makes my job a lot easier. If they do not they I will find them on in their area who may as I have a huge net work of Dr’s around the world who have similar mind set. “treat the cause support the symptoms”

    #9825

    Hershel

    Bryce, (sorry the quote button doesn’t work with a PSP) I can’t stop bringing up my experiences.

    Last summer I’ve googled about neurotransmitters and found out about dopamine.My symptoms indicated low dopamine levels so I just order L-Tyrosine and popped in a pill and it eventually resulted in my first full blown panic attack.Ever since then I’ve developed panic disorder despite I never took a pill again.

    With the genetic test it turned out I have high dopamine and low serotonine levels and GABA deficiency

    #9826

    Osvaldo

    and it completely explains my reaction to tyrosine and all my crazy sexual fetishes and porn addiction.

    So please,I beg you if the only test you could afford at the moment is an mthfr test then do it.

    Just don’t experiment with methyl supps without knowing your dna status.

    If you have mutations like I have then mfolate would kill you,no joke.

    #9831

    Hassan

    Need to know the other SNPS involved which will impact the recommendation of b-12

    #9835

    Teodoro

    Hydroxocobalamin,because I cannot tolerate methyl donors.

    #9839

    Charley

    Steve will be the Methyl Maestro too haha

    I just want to be the Master of my schlong lol. And a writer. And bodybuilder. Maybe a naturopath or the founder of a supplement business. Ahhh so many things to see and do.

    #9841

    Lionel

    yeah iodine is tricky. the thing is, some who isnt me took iodine THE DAY BEFORE, in a smaller dose and was feeling way more “normal”. not 100%.. but enough to go out and feel attraction and other shit. next day, decided to up it.. and did way too much and wound up feeling much worse.

    however, iodine was one of those EXTREMELY important things someone who isnt me took to begin with… it helped to develop some stabilization.

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