Severe Case – Frank O

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  • #7016

    Vance

    Here is my log, which I am also going to use to give some history.

    Back when I was 22 (~1987) and was in university, I started to get soft erections, low libido. Of course I mastubated a lot to Playboy and other magazines (no internet back then).

    I also exercised very heavily, lifting weights, cross country running, etc. I was freaking out about my weak erectios and didn’t know what was going on.

    I met the girl who would become my wife. I had some trouble with pre-cum and premature ejaculation at first. But you know what…after dating her for several months (and not mastubating) my libido came raging back. And we had sex pretty much every day. So maybe Dr.Lin is right that masturbation drains more energy than sex.

    I had fantastic libido from 23 to 35. (In fact, I’ll bet that most us in this situation had excessive libido, which is how we got in this situation)

    When I was 32, my wife started doing shift work as a nurse, which gave my lots of time at home in the evenings to look at internet porn. By 34 or 35, I started to get soft erections and a drop in libido.

    That’s enough for now. I don’t want to have too long of a post that bores people. I’ll add the rest later.

    There is another way that you can stop porn addiction, chronic masturbation and recover your sexual health without fighting it with willpower. With the right mindset you won't even relapse. You can learn more about the recovery program here

    #7017

    Deon

    so you started seeing problems in your early 20’s but they went away after you started to have sex?

    what does your wife think about your problems back then and now

    #7018

    Zachariah

    I think it was more that I stopped masturbating to porn everyday.

    Back in my early 20’s my problem wasn’t quite bad enough for her to notice. That was almost 20 years ago, so it’s hard for me to remember exactly the sequence of events. I just remember having some problems back then. I had forgotten about it completely until I started to get problems again at around 34-35.

    Once we got older, my wife never wan’t sex as much as I did and I would nag/beg for sex. Which might be one of the reasons I used so much porn (not to blame her). I had a very active libido and wanted to ejaculate everyday.

    So since her sex drive is low anyway, she is not very upset with the lack of sex. She is more worried about my depression, etc.

    #7019

    Glenn

    did you openly talk to her about this point- her low sex drive and your natural very active urge to have sex.

    #7020

    Vern

    Man….it’s clear you’ve never been married before. Just kidding. It’s sort of a running joke that ALL woman have a reduced desire for sex after they get married. And friends of mine that have kids say it’s even WORSE. I don’t think any married man (in real life) can get their wife to have sex everyday. She didn’t really mind me mastubating….it kept me from humping her leg for a few hours.

    #7021

    Bert

    Now back to my history & log.

    At around 35 (2001) I started to notice a slight drop in libido. Soft erections. I thought maybe too much masturbation was doing it. But internet searches did not show anything at the time. I wondered about losing nutrients with sperm. I found websites of other guys asking doctors who said there is no such thing as over-masturbation.

    So I continued to hit the internet porn hard. In fact, I think I even did it more to prove to myself I could still get a hard erection.

    This went on for a couple of years. In the winter of 2002/2003 my legs started to get a little weak while skiing. I skied over 30 times that winter, but my legs never seemed to develop strength. And I seemed to be losing ground in the weight room. My doctor said it was just aging, but I knew it was happening too fast.

    Then in the summer of 2003, I started to have a hard time not cumming to fast with my wife and my libido was getting worse, and my penis seemed to be getting smaller.

    Also in the summer of 2003, I started to have panic attacks. I also started to get muscle cramps and would run out of steam quickly playing tennis.

    That’s it for this episode

    #7022

    Max

    yeah what does a 23 year old know about marriage, hehe i’m an idiot in that departement.

    did you have those panic attacks at night by any chance?

    #7023

    Waylon

    Nope. I had the panic attacks during the day.

    Back to log.

    In the fall of 2003, I fell apart very quickly. We were moving a long distance and I was starting a new job. Looking back, although it didn’t seem that stressful, I’m sure my cortisol was higher and pushed me further along in adrenal fatigue.

    I had burning is my testicles. I started having prostatitus symptoms. Started to notice some eye floaters. I stopped working out. I was very depressed. My legs looks like someone shaved them since all the hair was gone. My libido disappeared. I started to have pain in my spermatic cord.

    Of course my doctor ran a bunch of tests that came back “normal”. But everything was at the very low end of normal: LH, FSH, Testosterone. I went to a Urologists and….he found nothing either. He did suggest yoga, which pissed me off at the time but he actually had a good idea.

    I started taking Dr.Lin products in Jan 2004. After 3 days, the burning in my spermatic cord stopped and I had more energy. I started going to the gym again and lifting weights (obviously I hadn’t figured everything out yet since this increases cortisol) I started running again, which isn’t bad, except I ran agressively, which is bad. But I felt good physically, but nothing happening with libido.

    That’s it for this installment.

    #7024

    Jamison

    i’m sure you already know this but after 45-60 minutes of weight training your cortisol starts to go up. so short sessions are very good. one thing i did notice is that i’m always very horny after a training session.

    #7025

    Chi

    I know itt now, but I didn’t know it then.

    #7026

    Milan

    so after 3 years of this habitm things took a turn for the worse?

    #7027

    Hoyt

    Frank 0 I think we all need to know your solutions to your problems.

    Have u succeed in recover your libido , do u get a much better sexual behavior since you began to improve your lifestyle?

    tell us what worked .

    as for me , I can say I’m a little better now , but not owing to supps ,but to some changes in my lifestyle. I guess you all are more experts than I am in this matter, but I noticed there’s is not healing if don’t apply these:

    – forget about internet porn : big mistake

    – forget about masturbate

    – no stress, take it easy

    – !!! quail eggs !!! they are my big discovery til now. I’m not from US and in my country these can be found. They are several times better than hen eggs.I can confirm I am better from these eggs even have night/ morning erections.(no daytime erections yet)

    – germinate wheat (living food) no expensive supps can do that. I think I must enforce my backgroud strength, not get excited (temporarily) by some excitement pills

    – 2 teaspoon of bea pollen every day.

    I am curios to find out from you if you have moderate back pain (like I do) in the kidney zone, and when these soft (inflamatory) pain occurs is often linked to a shrinkage of the penis, proeminent veins on it and soft wet scrotum area.

    #7028

    Robert

    actually bro you’re not alone in this issue. we’re all in this together. anyhow qail eggs you say?? I never heard of that before. i went searching for pasterizied egg whites yesterday but couldn’t find any

    #7029

    Lewis

    thats why I told u its possible not to find in the US. just for curiosity do a search for therapeutical use of quail eggs and u will see this is a great hormone balancer. it is written even on the label that a treatment with 240 quail eggs greatly improves sexual potency . [/url]

    #7030

    Hunter

    i don’t live in the USA, I live in NZ matie. I’ll look ino those. where do ya live by the way?

    #7031

    Young

    OK. Back to my log / history.

    I had been taking Dr. Lins products for about 4-months. They helped my physically. I had more energy, started to grow back my hair slightly, eye floaters were getting a little better. But nothing on the libido front. I was nearly impotent. I wasn’t masturbating or ejaculating because I couldn’t if I wanted to.

    Then, in April 2004 I had a very stressful week at work. I had to supervise a bunch of contractors for a plant shutdown. For 5-days, I ran around this plant up and down stairs (~120 feet from top to bottom). It was also mentally stressful…having to make sure all of the projects were on schedule. After 3-days, my legs started to get a little weak and I could no longer run up the stairs. I did make it through the week. I tried to go the gym a couple of days later to work out. I was extremely weak!!! I lost about 50-lb off my bench press weight. I tried to go for a run the next day and I had to stop because my legs were too weak.

    Then a couple of days later I noticed an EXPLOSION of eye floaters. I had hundreds of them. I went to the eye doctor to see if my retinas were detaching. He said they looked fine, but he could actually see all the floaters (so floaters are not in your head, even though I’ve had one MD tell me they were imaginary.) Then my legs started to ache, burn and feel like concrete. I could barely walk. I lost 15-lbs of muscle in 2 weeks. I could barely lift my arms to shampoo my hair.

    This is when I emailed Dr.Lin and asked him what was going on. His response “You should avoid stress”…. F*ck I was pissed….It’s a little late to tell me that now!! I didn’t understand why at the time and he didn’t explain it to me. But what happened is a severe cortisol spike caused my testosterone to plummet, so there wasn’t enough testosterone to maintain my muscles, so I went catabolic.

    During this time, my groin pain also came back very bad. I also lost all my hair again. I started to develop light sensitivity. I spent some time on an “Eye Floater” forum for a while. Many people got eye floaters after a period of stress.

    So, since I hadn’t touched my penis for a couple of months, and all this came on from stress, I am convinced that stress/cortisol & adrenal fatigue are a major part of our problem.

    In July 2004, I went to a Natuopathic Doctor and told him I thought I had adrenal fatigue. He introduced me to saliva testing and I got my first ZRT saliva test. My 8:00am cortisol came back at 21.2 (normal 3-8 ). He had never seen it anywhere close to that high.

    So I think any form of stress will put someone in the situation we are in. The stress just has to be frequent or severe enough.

    That’s it for this episode. I’ll talk about my recovery (which I fucked up) the next time.

    #7032

    Booker

    adrenal fatigue seems to be a big part of your problem.

    Its really not that difficult to get rid of stress but work is a great source of one. same with my experience in Uni

    #7033

    Aldo

    I think you missed my point a little.

    What’s interesting is that my “sexual exhaustion” symptoms came back and got worse from stress ALONE (without masturbation)…ie eye floaters, groin pain, weakness, heart palpatations, hair loss. I didn’t get new symptoms from stress…I got SE symptoms.

    So I believe that stress and adrenal fatigue is a big part for everyone… not just me.

    When you go into fight or flight and activate your sympathetic nervous system….that’s stress. Then you para-sympathetic nervous system kicks in to keep your sympathetic system in balance.

    This could happen from excessive masturbation, or excessive stress from any source. If you are contantly in fight or flight for any reason, I believe the results will be the same. For us, the major source of fight or flight was excessive masturbation.

    #7034

    Eugene

    I never got any of the SE symtpoms from excessive stress sources (e.g work etc…) apart from masturbation. generally any form of excessive stress from any activity can cause weakness symtpoms.

    this is the 1st time i hear somebody getting SE symtpoms from too much stress. I think westerm medicine realizied that stress can disrupt one’s sex life.

    #7035

    Alonzo

    So in the last episode I found out my costisol was 21.2 in the morning when the normal range is 3-8.

    I stopped taking Dr.Lin’s products and started on a protocol my naturopathic doctor put me on for adrenal fatigue. It consisted of:

    L-Theanine

    B-Complex

    Vitamin C

    Vitamin E

    and this product

    http://www.aor.ca/us/products/ortho_adapt.php

    I also followed some of the advise on this page

    http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#13

    One of the items I followed reliqiously was to make sure I was asleep by 10pm, so I would go to bed no later than 9:30pm, and sleep in as much as possible.

    I was improving gradually after 5-months. (That is one point I’d like to make. Our bodies have to heal, it won’t happen over night)

    My groin pain went away, my eye floaters were getting better, I started to get more strength.

    At the same time as taking the above supplements, I started to look into homeopathy.

    I took some of the homeopathic remedies from the following site. They are for adrenal stress and hormone rejuvanation.

    http://www.wellnesscenter.net/products/hhrkit.htm

    After taking the supplements of adrenal stress and fatigue for 5-months and the homeopathic remedies for about 3-weeks I started to feel fantastic:

    My sense of humour was back. I felt alive for the first time in a long time.

    I was waking up in the middle of the night and morning with big hard erections.

    My penis didn’t seem as small. It was more the size of before I was exhausted.

    My skin problems went away (I have had eczema in my ears since 1999, 3-years before any SE symptoms, so I know it is related. Now after reading Cortisol Connection, I understand that adrenal stress causes skin problems )

    My strength was coming back. I started to put on some muscle and loose some fat around my waste. My legs felt great skiing, better than they had in about 3 years.

    My hair started to come back on my legs and eyebrows.

    The eye floaters and light sensitivity went away.

    My testicles started to feel heavy again and sometimes I would get that good ache, “blue balls”, which I hadn’t had for a long time.

    When I ejaculated, I would last much longer.

    Basically, every SE symptom was going away, and it was only from looking after my adrenals and cortisol.

    I felt good from December 2004 – Late March 2005.

    Next episode…how I fucked it up.

    #7036

    William

    I was about to ask…what happened? I’m interested to see what happened and what you did man.

    #7037

    Rudy

    I forgot to mention that when I felt very good for a few months from December, 2004 to March 2005, that I was thinking more clearly than I have in years. I felt like my IQ shot up 20-points. When I met someone, I could remember their name, I could remember phone #’s.

    And it is important to note that at this point I didn’t even know what neuro-transmitters were, or how to boost them. I was doing nothing but following a protocol for adrenal fatique

    OK. Now how I messed it up. I thought I was recovering just fine from adrenal fatigue. I thought….”Great, I can go back to my old lifestyle”. So I started exercising pretty hard again. I was skiiing several times per week, working out, playing racquet ball. I started looking at porn almost every day and masturbating about once per week.

    In early March, my groin (spermatic cord) started to burn again after being fine for abuot 3 months. I tried to get a bunch of spring skiing in before the season was over, so I skied several days in a row.

    My last couple of runs my legs started to feel weak. The next day my legs were aching, just like they did after my stressful week at work.

    My arms and legs started to burn again.

    I lost a bunch of muscle again.

    My eye floaters and light sensitivity came back.

    My libido started to go away again.

    My penis was small again.

    I had trouble walking up a flight of stairs again.

    So that’s how I messed up my recovery.

    More later

    #7038

    Stewart

    So it was because you were doing too much physically? How old are you Frank? Maybe its because of my age, but I couldnt imagine that doing a whole bunch physical activities like playing sports and heavy weightlifting could negatively affect my sexual function.

    #7039

    Stewart

    frank O have you tried all the basics before like adam multi, l-arginine, alpha gpc, oils, 5-htp, ZMA?

    #7040

    Reed

    Max

    I’m going back to what worked the last time, which is treatment for adrenal fatigue, especially now that I know more about it. I’ve been boosting neuro-transmitters for 8-months and it hasn’t done a damn thing. Like I noted, I didn’t know anything about neuro-transmitters that last time and recovered by focusing on my adrenals and cortisol.

    I take a whole food multi-vitamin. Very high quality. They are not synthetic and are all from whole food. Ain’t cheap.

    http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

    L-arginine only helps by improving blood flow to the penis. It’s like a natural viagra. It doesn’t help your libibo. Get healthy…and our libido will come back.

    When you have joint pain, eye floaters, light sensitiviy, tinnitus, hair loss, skin problems, suppressed immune system, memory and speech problems, muscle wasting & weakness, etc……blood flow to the penis is not the answer. Libido is the first place it shows up because that is the last thing you need to survive. A couple of times of week, I’ll wake up at 2:00am with a big hard erection, so there is nothing wrong with the veins.

    So I am back on an adrenal fatigue protocol.

    #7041

    Jamel

    I’m going back to what worked the last time, which is treatment for adrenal fatigue, especially now that I know more about it. I’ve been boosting neuro-transmitters for 8-months and it hasn’t done a damn thing. Like I noted, I didn’t know anything about neuro-transmitters that last time and recovered by focusing on my adrenals and cortisol.

    I take a whole food multi-vitamin. Very high quality. They are not synthetic and are all from whole food. Ain’t cheap.

    http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

    L-arginine only helps by improving blood flow to the penis. It’s like a natural viagra. It doesn’t help your libibo. Get healthy…and our libido will come back.

    When you have joint pain, eye floaters, light sensitiviy, tinnitus, hair loss, skin problems, suppressed immune system, memory and speech problems, muscle wasting & weakness, etc……blood flow to the penis is not the answer. Libido is the first place it shows up because that is the last thing you need to survive. A couple of times of week, I’ll wake up at 2:00am with a big hard erection, so there is nothing wrong with the veins.

    So I am back on an adrenal fatigue protocol. Thats why I’m going the herbal route which promotes overall well-being. Good luck with your adrenal fatigue protocol. I’m sure if it worked before, it’ll work again. Just make sure when you’re healed to wait for the misses and leave the porn alone

    #7042

    Carol

    i see you take whole food multi. good choice there.

    how hard where you lifting Frank?

    #7043

    Milford

    To answer, I’m going to paste in a portion of another one of my posts.

    Here is some information from “The Cortisol Connection” you might find interesting:

    Chapter 11 lists several Anti-Stress supplements, one of which is Rhodiola Rosea

    Quote:

    Does that sound like SE symptoms to anyone??? Weak Erections and Premature Ejaculation from Stress. Stress ==> SE Symptoms!!. It is pretty clear the physical and mental stress will lead to SE symptoms. Stress causes fight-or-flight, regardless of the source. porn and masturbation is just one source of stress.

    Now for sources of stress listed in “Adrenal Fatigue: 21st Century Syndrome”….and the all accumulate. I’ll put an “**” next to the ones that used to apply to me.

    Quote:

    Here is a good link that talks about Adrenal Fatigue

    http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

    Please note the symptoms, one of which is “Reduced sex Drive” and one of the sources of adrenal fatigue is “Excessive Exercise ”

    Moderate exercise is important to reduce cortisol….but over exercise increases it. When I weighted 158-lb and benched 250-lb on my last set, I think that will qualify as over-exertion and over-exercise. My typical Saturday when I was 35 was to lift weights for 1.5-hrs, play racquet ball for 3hrs and then go home and masturbate to porn….talk about over doing it.

    I know some of you are getting tired of me saying it. But just because you don’t like the evidence…doesn’t mean it isn’t valid.

    #7044

    Stan

    I saw the other thread you made about this. I’m gonna assume the younger you are, the more physical things you can handle at once. I guess I have a slight social anxiety because I love being by myself and when people try to do things with me I kinda just blow them off(since I have a loss of emotion aswell, I dont really care). I guess that could be causing stress to me. But most of my stress is caused by school. I dont have a choice but to go to school, so that stress will never go away.

    #7045

    Ryan

    Quote:

    sounds like you were doing a marathon rather than exercise there.

    by the way i have come across that web-link you gave before. good pointers.

    and Raven i have to agree with I really hate uni. lots of stress, coffee and lack of sleep.

    #7046

    Pablo

    No you can’t quite school, but you can learn to control stress. Look into deep breathing and meditation, which helps to activate “the relaxation response”, the same as massage, albeit not quite as effective. The idea is to stimulate your para-sympathetic nervous system. Meditation has been proven to lower costisol levels and blood pressure, as well as many other postive health benefits.

    Some Anti-stress & cortisol control supplements can also help. If I’m having a panic or anxiety attack, I find L-Theanine really helps.

    #7047

    Michal

    I also forgot to mention that when I felt very good for a few months from December, 2004 to March 2005, that my social anxiety went away. I started calling some of my friends that I hadn’t called in a very long time. I was happy to talk to people, felt more confident, etc.

    OK back to my history. In the last portion of my log, I described how I messed up all the progress I made by following an adrenal fatigue protocol. This was around May 2005.

    I had a complete physical collapse again. I could barely walk. Eye floaters backs, Groin pain back, etc. However, I still had anough of a libido that I was interested in porn and I hadn’t figured out yet how to stop looking at it.

    I looked at porn everyday….and ejaculating about once per week. Looking back… no wonder I kept getting worse. I was still pretty sure I had adrenal fatigue and I went to a new naturopathic doctor in September, 2005.

    The naturopathic doctor I went to belongs to the same organization as Dr.Ron, which is Weston Price. She doesn’t believe in any supplements (not even whole food multivitamins). She believes that everything should be 100% food based. So I started eating more organic beef, making my own chicken broth, coconut oil, etc. So I stopped taking all my supplements.

    She kind of side tracked off of adrenal fatigue and focused on liver/colon cleansing. She does colon hydrotherapy. Naturopathic Doctors are similar to MD’s in the sense that whatever treatment they offer….will be the one the suggest, whether it’s acupunctures, etc.

    As part of my new effort to “detoxify”, I looked into saunas and started taking a lot of saunas. Apparently, it helps to sweat out toxins. Well, after a couple of weeks of saunas, I lost more muscle mass, my legs were aching and burning. I started getting heart palpitations

    Although very difficult to find even on the Internet, it turns out that people with adrenal problems should not use saunas, since it raises your core temperature

    Quote:

    http://www.westhotel.ru/templates/main_new.asp?pageId=118

    At this point, it was January 2006.

    Then I looked into acid/alkaline diet and monitored my urine pH in response to certain foods. Eating too much protein and not enough vegetables can make your body very acidic and you end up with many health problems……no luck there.

    I kept going to this naturopathic doctor until April 2006. After 9-months of working on my liver/colon and not taking and vitamins/supplements, I was in worse shape. Legs very weak. So I ditched that Naturopathic Doctor and went back on my own.

    More later.

    #7048

    Randy

    so much for this Naturopathic Doctor

    #7050

    Heriberto

    so fixing your neurotransmitters didn’t help much.

    #7051

    Leopoldo

    No, unfortunately. In fact my penis shrunk even more and my libido was 0%.

    #7052

    Scotty

    i’ve finished reading dr braveman’s book by the way.

    #7053

    Octavio

    Great log and thanks for staying on track… I have a very similar track history which I need to log as well. I assume you are back to the basics regarding the above protocol that seemed to work for you before.

    Two things especially caught my attention are the 1) Allergy component and 2) Chronic Infection. I also wonder how many here have some dormant HPV (Type I or II). I can’t help but think depression is also directly linked to immune system response. The large question is which came first the Chicken or the Egg. ie. Is the infection/virus causing adrenal failure or is the “learned” stress response causing the failure (hence leading to a compromised immune system).

    BTW – The Ortho Adapt product appears to have the natural Cortisol reducer Rhodiola as part of its ingredients list. I also see “Caution – Persons with high blood pressure, cholestatic liver disease, liver cirrosis, hypokalemia, hypertonia, or severe kidney disease should not take this product. May cause potassium loss with prolonged use or in combination with diuretic drugs; consult with your physician.” which makes me wonder what items are causing this warning.

    #7054

    Rex

    the adrenal exhaustion is more of a learnt stress response I believe. the body likes to reach homestatis and cell membranes basically adapt to the chronic stress

    interesting to know if that R. Rosea is russian or chinese. anyway R.Rosea is very good for people who have daytime low-level cortisol and elevated night-time cortisol levels.

    #7055

    Russel

    The Cortisol Connection has several pages discussing the effect of cortisol on the immune system. Way to much to type. I’ll scan the pages and upload to DriveHQ.com

    #7056

    Rodrick

    I was about to ask…what happened? I’m interested to see what happened and what you did man.

    #7057

    Carey

    I forgot to mention that when I felt very good for a few months from December, 2004 to March 2005, that I was thinking more clearly than I have in years. I felt like my IQ shot up 20-points. When I met someone, I could remember their name, I could remember phone #’s.

    And it is important to note that at this point I didn’t even know what neuro-transmitters were, or how to boost them. I was doing nothing but following a protocol for adrenal fatique

    OK. Now how I messed it up. I thought I was recovering just fine from adrenal fatigue. I thought….”Great, I can go back to my old lifestyle”. So I started exercising pretty hard again. I was skiiing several times per week, working out, playing racquet ball. I started looking at porn almost every day and masturbating about once per week.

    In early March, my groin (spermatic cord) started to burn again after being fine for abuot 3 months. I tried to get a bunch of spring skiing in before the season was over, so I skied several days in a row.

    My last couple of runs my legs started to feel weak. The next day my legs were aching, just like they did after my stressful week at work.

    My arms and legs started to burn again.

    I lost a bunch of muscle again.

    My eye floaters and light sensitivity came back.

    My libido started to go away again.

    My penis was small again.

    I had trouble walking up a flight of stairs again.

    So that’s how I messed up my recovery.

    More later

    #7058

    Efrain

    So it was because you were doing too much physically? How old are you Frank? Maybe its because of my age, but I couldnt imagine that doing a whole bunch physical activities like playing sports and heavy weightlifting could negatively affect my sexual function.

    #7059

    Esteban

    frank O have you tried all the basics before like adam multi, l-arginine, alpha gpc, oils, 5-htp, ZMA?

    #7060

    Antwan

    Max

    I’m going back to what worked the last time, which is treatment for adrenal fatigue, especially now that I know more about it. I’ve been boosting neuro-transmitters for 8-months and it hasn’t done a damn thing. Like I noted, I didn’t know anything about neuro-transmitters that last time and recovered by focusing on my adrenals and cortisol.

    I take a whole food multi-vitamin. Very high quality. They are not synthetic and are all from whole food. Ain’t cheap.

    http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

    L-arginine only helps by improving blood flow to the penis. It’s like a natural viagra. It doesn’t help your libibo. Get healthy…and our libido will come back.

    When you have joint pain, eye floaters, light sensitiviy, tinnitus, hair loss, skin problems, suppressed immune system, memory and speech problems, muscle wasting & weakness, etc……blood flow to the penis is not the answer. Libido is the first place it shows up because that is the last thing you need to survive. A couple of times of week, I’ll wake up at 2:00am with a big hard erection, so there is nothing wrong with the veins.

    So I am back on an adrenal fatigue protocol.

    #7061

    Maynard

    I’m going back to what worked the last time, which is treatment for adrenal fatigue, especially now that I know more about it. I’ve been boosting neuro-transmitters for 8-months and it hasn’t done a damn thing. Like I noted, I didn’t know anything about neuro-transmitters that last time and recovered by focusing on my adrenals and cortisol.

    I take a whole food multi-vitamin. Very high quality. They are not synthetic and are all from whole food. Ain’t cheap.

    http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

    L-arginine only helps by improving blood flow to the penis. It’s like a natural viagra. It doesn’t help your libibo. Get healthy…and our libido will come back.

    When you have joint pain, eye floaters, light sensitiviy, tinnitus, hair loss, skin problems, suppressed immune system, memory and speech problems, muscle wasting & weakness, etc……blood flow to the penis is not the answer. Libido is the first place it shows up because that is the last thing you need to survive. A couple of times of week, I’ll wake up at 2:00am with a big hard erection, so there is nothing wrong with the veins.

    So I am back on an adrenal fatigue protocol. Thats why I’m going the herbal route which promotes overall well-being. Good luck with your adrenal fatigue protocol. I’m sure if it worked before, it’ll work again. Just make sure when you’re healed to wait for the misses and leave the porn alone

    #7062

    Alexis

    i see you take whole food multi. good choice there.

    how hard where you lifting Frank?

    #7063

    Mariano

    To answer, I’m going to paste in a portion of another one of my posts.

    Here is some information from “The Cortisol Connection” you might find interesting:

    Chapter 11 lists several Anti-Stress supplements, one of which is Rhodiola Rosea

    Quote:

    Does that sound like SE symptoms to anyone??? Weak Erections and Premature Ejaculation from Stress. Stress ==> SE Symptoms!!. It is pretty clear the physical and mental stress will lead to SE symptoms. Stress causes fight-or-flight, regardless of the source. porn and masturbation is just one source of stress.

    Now for sources of stress listed in “Adrenal Fatigue: 21st Century Syndrome”….and the all accumulate. I’ll put an “**” next to the ones that used to apply to me.

    Quote:

    Here is a good link that talks about Adrenal Fatigue

    http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

    Please note the symptoms, one of which is “Reduced sex Drive” and one of the sources of adrenal fatigue is “Excessive Exercise ”

    Moderate exercise is important to reduce cortisol….but over exercise increases it. When I weighted 158-lb and benched 250-lb on my last set, I think that will qualify as over-exertion and over-exercise. My typical Saturday when I was 35 was to lift weights for 1.5-hrs, play racquet ball for 3hrs and then go home and masturbate to porn….talk about over doing it.

    I know some of you are getting tired of me saying it. But just because you don’t like the evidence…doesn’t mean it isn’t valid.

    #7064

    Delbert

    I saw the other thread you made about this. I’m gonna assume the younger you are, the more physical things you can handle at once. I guess I have a slight social anxiety because I love being by myself and when people try to do things with me I kinda just blow them off(since I have a loss of emotion aswell, I dont really care). I guess that could be causing stress to me. But most of my stress is caused by school. I dont have a choice but to go to school, so that stress will never go away.

    #7065

    Franklyn

    Quote:

    sounds like you were doing a marathon rather than exercise there.

    by the way i have come across that web-link you gave before. good pointers.

    and Raven i have to agree with I really hate uni. lots of stress, coffee and lack of sleep.

    #7066

    Curtis

    No you can’t quite school, but you can learn to control stress. Look into deep breathing and meditation, which helps to activate “the relaxation response”, the same as massage, albeit not quite as effective. The idea is to stimulate your para-sympathetic nervous system. Meditation has been proven to lower costisol levels and blood pressure, as well as many other postive health benefits.

    Some Anti-stress & cortisol control supplements can also help. If I’m having a panic or anxiety attack, I find L-Theanine really helps.

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