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  • #15701

    Teodoro

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

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    #15702

    Greg

    Hey does tongkali ali still work while your on Test e? also i was going to ask if you ever tried tribulus or shit like that?

    #15703

    Edison

    The nice thing is that you managed to have a low SHBG, E2

    have couple of questions:

    1- will you continue your HCG inject 2X, or youll lower the dose, drop it?

    2- have you dropped Mariano protcol, and started the HCG with only thyro meds?

    3- Have you noticed any difference in the testicles movment and shape before the HCG, and after the HCG ( are they contractingmoving alot after the HCG)

    Congrats, glad that you are happy

    #15704

    Keith

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

    haha im down . I really wanna F*ck a fat chick at some point. I have no idea why I just think it would be the funniest experience to just slam a chunky bitch.

    I actually already have a shitload of thyroid meds on hand. mostly cytomel and some left over levothyroxine. Thanks for the hint though based on the labwork I just did I may be able to do efra or armour so may have to reorder.

    My protocol is 250 IU ED and .10 ml of liquidex ED. Shit awesome lol.

    I have no idea about holidays. Shit kinda sucks I guess but its the price we gotta pay. But I have this plan brewing about how if I can optimize all my shit im just gona drive to Shawn and Dr. O and be like yo this is what im doing can you assholes write my prescriptions. Might solve that problem.

    Dude im the same as you. My natural levels were liek 450-550. But so fucking what.Ya sure I could get erections but who cares. Its defiently not the same as having T literally double that. No comparison my dick is a rock every morning. I can make it all the way to the bathroom to piss with an erection. That hasnt happend since hs. But also I agree that you really dont need super high T to get wood. I 100 percent agree, but I want high T for all the other reasons, such as weight lifting and general health. Once I fix my hormones I plan on gettin back in the gym. Its been almost a fucking year man, Iused to be so strong and i miss it so much. But im also not tryin to bust my ass in the gym 5 days a week with testosterone levles of a 60 year old man. Shit is a huge disadvantage.

    I sorta gave the wrong impresion with supps. Im not against them, as a matter of fact to fix my neuros I plan on ussing all supps basically. But when It comes to hormones my personal experience has been you just need to hit it with more powerful stuff. But your right what works is what matters.

    Na man i havnt been on the aminos for months. I only did a few week stinT with them back in january. I had to stop for all sorts of reasons that i dont feel like explainin but it was still a great expereince. It showed me that 100 percent part of the answer is amino acid therapy. But I think its much more important to take care of the heavy duty stuff liek test, e2, thyroid, adrenals etc first and then see where shit falls you know. THe amino acids can be looked upon as fine tunin in the end.

    Dude the only thing im on is HCG and liquidex. No preg ,thyroid nothing.

    Though i did do a theraputic trial with preg back in febuary and it increases my cortisol for sure. had insomnia for a few nights.

    O wow actually thats a lie I take vitamin D, C, A, fishoil, Iron and b complex but……cmon that shit is baby stuff.

    O another thing I might add that I truly believe makes a huge difference. I eat a really low carb , low glycemic high fat and protein diet high cholestorol diet. I have a feelin that shit helps a lil.

    #15705

    Preston

    1) Im not sure what you mean? I do 250 IU everyday not twice a week. and I do liquidex .10 ml every day as well . that equals 1750 IU of HCG a week and .70 ml of liquidex a week as well. Hope that aswers your question

    2) My last phone consult with mariano was febuary 17. He made some protocol for me but I thought it was gona be a waste of time and money. So i was like F*ck it . i dont think im gona work with him anymore, its just to expensive. Though he really is a great doctor I just cant afford it really and no offense but hes takin his sweet time. I made my own decision and turned out to be great . Also im not on any thyroid meds andhavnt been for some time. All I take is HCG and liquidex with some basic vitamins for general health.

    3) My testicles were never small or atrophied to begin with. But I defiently noticed that the HCG made my balls really firm and hard. Actually bugged me out the first couple days. Couldnt stop touching them lol. But my loads are ridicolous on HCG if i abstain for a few days.

    #15706

    Cortez

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Actually ya what you said makes alot of sense on a restart the best your going to get is T levels sticking around 600-700 some people would take the 600-700 restart so they wont be on HRT for life but im with you on that i have no problems being on HRT as long as i can get the most hormone output my body could offer.

    exactly man. F*ck that I deserve the same quality of life as everyone else. I know what its like to function at great hormone levels. In high school and grammer school I was above and beyond every one in my age group in all sorts of shit. never had energy problems sexual problems whatever. I dont look at HRT as a problem at all. Some people iv spoken to have been like your 20 years old and are gona be condemned to hRT for the rest of your life?

    condemned? get the F*ck outa here man I look at it like im getting my life back. Injecting HCG takes literally 5 seconds. I kinda enjoy it actually lol. dont see what the big deal is if I can get my life back.

    If one day HCG stops working then I will have absoltly no problem going on TRT. Not a big deal in my eyes got over that months ago. Some people really are just afraid, and I think there fear is a result of not understanding and lack of knowledge. F*ck it it you wanna live your life like that go ahead but thats not me.

    #15707

    Francisco

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    #15708

    Bud

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    No. Im gona continue everything the same. Theres a chance that when I optimize my remainin hormones I may need less or more will see.

    But why would I go off HCG? using HCG is not like clomid, it shuts down your natural LH production so when you come of my test would be in the 100-200s for a while. no thanks lol.

    #15709

    Young

    yo j’s isnt 250iu ED a little to much though longterm?

    #15710

    Walker

    possibly……Iv seen Dr. Chrisler saying as long as its 500 IU and below daily….but I mean iv studied every single monotherapy thread I could find and usually the doses where something along these lines.

    I gotta reavualate everything once I figure some shit out but for now im gona keep it as is.

    #15711

    Carmelo

    matter of fact this is from Dr. M

    HCG is one option in maintaining testicular function and testosterone production.

    Whether or not it would keep testosterone levels more stable is questionable. It probably does NOT given the much longer half-life of testosterone cypionate and enanthate (about 7 days on average) compared to testosterone (10-100 minutes).

    I would generally prescribe a total of 3000 IU a week divided into 3 or 7 doses. This would give a testosterone level comparable to Testosterone Cypionate at 100 mg a week.

    “Natural” is a questionably used term. HCG is not natural in men. The use of an aromatase inhibitor is also not natural. Nor is injecting something “natural”. But these options may be necessary or useful to improve function. One primarily needs to assess risk vs. benefit to help make their decision on the course of treatment.

    At a certain age, such as in one’s fifties, the testes become less sensitive to HCG. At this time, HCG will stop working and alternatives would have to be used. Too high a dose of HCG would hasten testicular insensitivity to HCG.

    __________________

    Hes saying he prescribes 3000 IU a week. So im well below that .

    Then Dr. Chrisler says that patients can safely do 500 IU a day which is 3500 a week.

    Also Dr. Shippen who really is a huge adocate of HCG mono says doses usuallly are along the lines of 250 IU to 500 IU 5-7 times a week.

    So I think im good. But once my thyroid and adrenals are optimized I may reduce it will see. I dotn want to densitize my nuts.

    #15712

    Julius

    Did you just say it felt like u had a metal rod in your dick?!/

    god damnit JS how I miss having a metal rod in my dick, F*ck

    man dude F*ck good job.

    cant wait to have my test results in shitttttt

    any info where I can get those temp things you bought? what are they called exactly

    #15713

    Cole

    wow man awesome!

    has your PE improved or still same?

    Shit now I’m tempted to get on HCG too.. but my T is not as bad as other things so I donno what will happen.

    Can’t wait to see what your free T looks like but from what you describe sounds like everything is in place.

    #15714

    Andy

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    #15715

    Rodney

    Thanks lol. What temp things? You mean a theromometer? Thats what I take my temp with lol?

    #15716

    Rufus

    Shit is crazy. im so proud of my nuts. Didnt know those fuckers had it in them.

    PE has improved cuse my dick hoenstly gets super hard so its just less sensitive. Dr. Lin talks about it ( I Know i know but some of the stuff he mentions is good) and he says how when the blood presure in your dick is really high its harder to trigger the orgasm response.

    I dont expect optimal performance though until iv fixed all the remainin issues which are still signficant.

    Im sure HCG would do great for you. But you have high SHBG so I dono wat to do for that.

    #15717

    Jack

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    Haha I wish man. I used to live in cali from 5-6 and shit was ballin. Went to the beach everyday. When i was there for mariano remmeberd how beautiful a state it was ( NO Homo lol ) .

    But i think my plan is to be become a physicians assistant after i get my bachelors. Its a 2-3 year graduate plan and alot cheaper and less work then med school. And once you get certified i can do essenstially everything a doctor can . I just get payed less but whatever its not bad.

    Im seriously considerign that. Most likely im gona have to medicate for the rest of my life. Might as well do somethign that gives me all the best oppurtunities and chances. not to mention since all this happend iv sorta come to realize how interesting the human body and everythin related to it is.

    #15718

    Clinton

    Thanks lol. What temp things? You mean a theromometer? Thats what I take my temp with lol?

    haha i was talkin bout the ones mariano used but i guess that works too haha

    #15719

    Stanton

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    Haha I wish man. I used to live in cali from 5-6 and shit was ballin. Went to the beach everyday. When i was there for mariano remmeberd how beautiful a state it was ( NO Homo lol ) .

    But i think my plan is to be become a physicians assistant after i get my bachelors. Its a 2-3 year graduate plan and alot cheaper and less work then med school. And once you get certified i can do essenstially everything a doctor can . I just get payed less but whatever its not bad.

    Im seriously considerign that. Most likely im gona have to medicate for the rest of my life. Might as well do somethign that gives me all the best oppurtunities and chances. not to mention since all this happend iv sorta come to realize how interesting the human body and everythin related to it is.

    Ya true that. Come over to california anyways haha. we’ll game bitches on the beach all day with our new & improved dicks & scientific lingo from all this researching xD

    #15720

    Kelly

    where do i get this HCG mono from?

    and did it make your penis any larger(NO HOMO DuDE! its just a question)

    #15721

    Ulysses

    Its just HCG…..mono stands for monotherapy. You sould do some research before you embark on cuse its clear you have no idea what this is . Not to mention baseline labs

    My penis size has never changed , whether my T has been low or super high.

    #15722

    Tyron

    ok. I think i should just stay away from it then lol.

    #15723

    Moises

    This is superb news js. Great job!! May it always stay this way.

    #15724

    Markus

    JS what was your Testosterone (total and free) before you went on HCG?

    #15725

    Raymundo

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    #15726

    Rafael

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    #15727

    Neville

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    #15728

    Benedict

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    #15729

    Grant

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    LH not LF. You can hasten the recovery with clomid or you can just wait for the system to start naturally. From what iv seen it takes about 3-5 weeks for baseline levels to gradually return after discontinuation.

    im commited to HRT for life. I have no doubt in my mind of the benefits.

    #15730

    Anderson

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    LH not LF. You can hasten the recovery with clomid or you can just wait for the system to start naturally. From what iv seen it takes about 3-5 weeks for baseline levels to gradually return after discontinuation.

    im commited to HRT for life. I have no doubt in my mind of the benefits.

    Ok. Do you know what is the function of FSH? I know LH is what causes the testes to produce Testosterone. But I am not sure what FSH does. The Pituitary gland releases LH and FSH in response to GnRH that it receives from the Hypothalamus.

    #15731

    Ezequiel

    thats true definetly. I cant believe how good HCG worked. Today has been one of the happiest days in the past year for me. I cant stop being happy lol.

    But im running a shit load of tests tommorow to see how this affects thyroid. I might not have to do a T3 only protocol and may get away with T4/T3 combos which would be nice.

    I cant believe how much my cortisol shot up. Shit is bananas fucking bananas.

    #15732

    Omar

    you know whats even more bananas lol? I have a varicocele in my nutsack. and theres all this literature everywere sayin they screw up testosterone levels.

    First leanguy on musclechat who has one and now me and we both have super response to HCG.

    I cant believe I was so stressed about it at one point.

    #15733

    Marcel

    Wait this is very intresting youve had low cortisol right? and since boosting your testicular function your telling me your cortisol is shooting up? thats fucking crazy

    #15734

    Cyril

    Variocele affects everyone differently for some people it wont hurt there testosterone.

    #15736

    Carlton

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    #15737

    Gerry

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    #15738

    Shelby

    awesome stuff man! hopefully things will stick

    crazy that your adrenals are working better

    dht perhaps some t cream on your nuts daily? along with hcg?

    what’s the deal with self treatment and seeing dr m? or are you doing this under his supervision?

    get some more bloodtests indeed, preg and prog.. if hcg is boosting preg and prog then you might not need adrenal support, only thyroid hormone

    perhaps you only need iodine to make thyroid start functioning better get that tested as well

    awesome, a success story soon about you picking up and boning some chicks would be nice

    #15739

    Claudio

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    #15740

    Kenny

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    #15742

    Ken

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Actually ya what you said makes alot of sense on a restart the best your going to get is T levels sticking around 600-700 some people would take the 600-700 restart so they wont be on HRT for life but im with you on that i have no problems being on HRT as long as i can get the most hormone output my body could offer.

    #15744

    Lamar

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

    #15745

    Virgilio

    Hey does tongkali ali still work while your on Test e? also i was going to ask if you ever tried tribulus or shit like that?

    #15746

    Frankie

    The nice thing is that you managed to have a low SHBG, E2

    have couple of questions:

    1- will you continue your HCG inject 2X, or youll lower the dose, drop it?

    2- have you dropped Mariano protcol, and started the HCG with only thyro meds?

    3- Have you noticed any difference in the testicles movment and shape before the HCG, and after the HCG ( are they contractingmoving alot after the HCG)

    Congrats, glad that you are happy

    #15747

    Eric

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

    haha im down . I really wanna F*ck a fat chick at some point. I have no idea why I just think it would be the funniest experience to just slam a chunky bitch.

    I actually already have a shitload of thyroid meds on hand. mostly cytomel and some left over levothyroxine. Thanks for the hint though based on the labwork I just did I may be able to do efra or armour so may have to reorder.

    My protocol is 250 IU ED and .10 ml of liquidex ED. Shit awesome lol.

    I have no idea about holidays. Shit kinda sucks I guess but its the price we gotta pay. But I have this plan brewing about how if I can optimize all my shit im just gona drive to Shawn and Dr. O and be like yo this is what im doing can you assholes write my prescriptions. Might solve that problem.

    Dude im the same as you. My natural levels were liek 450-550. But so fucking what.Ya sure I could get erections but who cares. Its defiently not the same as having T literally double that. No comparison my dick is a rock every morning. I can make it all the way to the bathroom to piss with an erection. That hasnt happend since hs. But also I agree that you really dont need super high T to get wood. I 100 percent agree, but I want high T for all the other reasons, such as weight lifting and general health. Once I fix my hormones I plan on gettin back in the gym. Its been almost a fucking year man, Iused to be so strong and i miss it so much. But im also not tryin to bust my ass in the gym 5 days a week with testosterone levles of a 60 year old man. Shit is a huge disadvantage.

    I sorta gave the wrong impresion with supps. Im not against them, as a matter of fact to fix my neuros I plan on ussing all supps basically. But when It comes to hormones my personal experience has been you just need to hit it with more powerful stuff. But your right what works is what matters.

    Na man i havnt been on the aminos for months. I only did a few week stinT with them back in january. I had to stop for all sorts of reasons that i dont feel like explainin but it was still a great expereince. It showed me that 100 percent part of the answer is amino acid therapy. But I think its much more important to take care of the heavy duty stuff liek test, e2, thyroid, adrenals etc first and then see where shit falls you know. THe amino acids can be looked upon as fine tunin in the end.

    Dude the only thing im on is HCG and liquidex. No preg ,thyroid nothing.

    Though i did do a theraputic trial with preg back in febuary and it increases my cortisol for sure. had insomnia for a few nights.

    O wow actually thats a lie I take vitamin D, C, A, fishoil, Iron and b complex but……cmon that shit is baby stuff.

    O another thing I might add that I truly believe makes a huge difference. I eat a really low carb , low glycemic high fat and protein diet high cholestorol diet. I have a feelin that shit helps a lil.

    #15748

    Kenneth

    1) Im not sure what you mean? I do 250 IU everyday not twice a week. and I do liquidex .10 ml every day as well . that equals 1750 IU of HCG a week and .70 ml of liquidex a week as well. Hope that aswers your question

    2) My last phone consult with mariano was febuary 17. He made some protocol for me but I thought it was gona be a waste of time and money. So i was like F*ck it . i dont think im gona work with him anymore, its just to expensive. Though he really is a great doctor I just cant afford it really and no offense but hes takin his sweet time. I made my own decision and turned out to be great . Also im not on any thyroid meds andhavnt been for some time. All I take is HCG and liquidex with some basic vitamins for general health.

    3) My testicles were never small or atrophied to begin with. But I defiently noticed that the HCG made my balls really firm and hard. Actually bugged me out the first couple days. Couldnt stop touching them lol. But my loads are ridicolous on HCG if i abstain for a few days.

    #15749

    Raphael

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Actually ya what you said makes alot of sense on a restart the best your going to get is T levels sticking around 600-700 some people would take the 600-700 restart so they wont be on HRT for life but im with you on that i have no problems being on HRT as long as i can get the most hormone output my body could offer.

    exactly man. F*ck that I deserve the same quality of life as everyone else. I know what its like to function at great hormone levels. In high school and grammer school I was above and beyond every one in my age group in all sorts of shit. never had energy problems sexual problems whatever. I dont look at HRT as a problem at all. Some people iv spoken to have been like your 20 years old and are gona be condemned to hRT for the rest of your life?

    condemned? get the F*ck outa here man I look at it like im getting my life back. Injecting HCG takes literally 5 seconds. I kinda enjoy it actually lol. dont see what the big deal is if I can get my life back.

    If one day HCG stops working then I will have absoltly no problem going on TRT. Not a big deal in my eyes got over that months ago. Some people really are just afraid, and I think there fear is a result of not understanding and lack of knowledge. F*ck it it you wanna live your life like that go ahead but thats not me.

    #15750

    Carson

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    #15751

    Horace

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    No. Im gona continue everything the same. Theres a chance that when I optimize my remainin hormones I may need less or more will see.

    But why would I go off HCG? using HCG is not like clomid, it shuts down your natural LH production so when you come of my test would be in the 100-200s for a while. no thanks lol.

    #15752

    Ian

    yo j’s isnt 250iu ED a little to much though longterm?

    #15753

    Eliseo

    possibly……Iv seen Dr. Chrisler saying as long as its 500 IU and below daily….but I mean iv studied every single monotherapy thread I could find and usually the doses where something along these lines.

    I gotta reavualate everything once I figure some shit out but for now im gona keep it as is.

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