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  • #15810

    Carlo

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

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    #15811

    Duncan

    Hey does tongkali ali still work while your on Test e? also i was going to ask if you ever tried tribulus or shit like that?

    #15812

    Jayson

    The nice thing is that you managed to have a low SHBG, E2

    have couple of questions:

    1- will you continue your HCG inject 2X, or youll lower the dose, drop it?

    2- have you dropped Mariano protcol, and started the HCG with only thyro meds?

    3- Have you noticed any difference in the testicles movment and shape before the HCG, and after the HCG ( are they contractingmoving alot after the HCG)

    Congrats, glad that you are happy

    #15814

    Darwin

    thanks dude lol. Im doing this on my own. Ordered all my meds online. F*ck it I know what im after you know I dont need to pay someone 300 dollars to jerk me around . Dr. M is an awesome dude though I just am not a millionare and have no fucking patience.

    Im doing a shitload of tests in like 30 minutes actually. Sould have them in a few weeks. will post ofcourse. My next step is most likely thyroid which has been fucked up in the past. I might not even need pregnenolone anymore which is fuckin crazy. I just bought 15 LIFE FLO pregs!!1 Godamit lol.

    F*ck iodone. F*ck supplements. If I need thyroid hormone then thats what im doing.

    DUde the moment im tuned up for all my hormones and neurotransmitters (might still take a lil bit) Im fucking bitches. Ill prob F*ck some escorts to start and kinda get the rust out but its been my plan all along.

    lol that’s the spirit! we should have like a PUA log on here

    send the preg over dude

    valuepharmaceuticals ftw on 500 tabs erfa thyroid, cheap as F*ck

    again what is your protocol on hcg? liquidex daily sounds good to keep everything stable

    how are you gonna take this crap along on a holiday?

    i understand your reasoning.. i am 500 natural T levels and probably can have some good wood on dim/tongkat but test e is way better it’s a whole other world

    i understand your situation about supps, but there are some supps which work pretty good for me (natural sources raw thyroid for example), which doesn’t have the potential for crashing if you run out of thyroid.. that said if one tab of this stuff gives me same results as 2-3 grains thyroid then i would opt for the supp

    in the end all that matters is what works!

    still on the neuro protocol or just hcg/liquidex for the time being?

    still on the preg btw while doing hcg? may that be the reason your am cortisol is so high, or only due to hcg?

    haha im down . I really wanna F*ck a fat chick at some point. I have no idea why I just think it would be the funniest experience to just slam a chunky bitch.

    I actually already have a shitload of thyroid meds on hand. mostly cytomel and some left over levothyroxine. Thanks for the hint though based on the labwork I just did I may be able to do efra or armour so may have to reorder.

    My protocol is 250 IU ED and .10 ml of liquidex ED. Shit awesome lol.

    I have no idea about holidays. Shit kinda sucks I guess but its the price we gotta pay. But I have this plan brewing about how if I can optimize all my shit im just gona drive to Shawn and Dr. O and be like yo this is what im doing can you assholes write my prescriptions. Might solve that problem.

    Dude im the same as you. My natural levels were liek 450-550. But so fucking what.Ya sure I could get erections but who cares. Its defiently not the same as having T literally double that. No comparison my dick is a rock every morning. I can make it all the way to the bathroom to piss with an erection. That hasnt happend since hs. But also I agree that you really dont need super high T to get wood. I 100 percent agree, but I want high T for all the other reasons, such as weight lifting and general health. Once I fix my hormones I plan on gettin back in the gym. Its been almost a fucking year man, Iused to be so strong and i miss it so much. But im also not tryin to bust my ass in the gym 5 days a week with testosterone levles of a 60 year old man. Shit is a huge disadvantage.

    I sorta gave the wrong impresion with supps. Im not against them, as a matter of fact to fix my neuros I plan on ussing all supps basically. But when It comes to hormones my personal experience has been you just need to hit it with more powerful stuff. But your right what works is what matters.

    Na man i havnt been on the aminos for months. I only did a few week stinT with them back in january. I had to stop for all sorts of reasons that i dont feel like explainin but it was still a great expereince. It showed me that 100 percent part of the answer is amino acid therapy. But I think its much more important to take care of the heavy duty stuff liek test, e2, thyroid, adrenals etc first and then see where shit falls you know. THe amino acids can be looked upon as fine tunin in the end.

    Dude the only thing im on is HCG and liquidex. No preg ,thyroid nothing.

    Though i did do a theraputic trial with preg back in febuary and it increases my cortisol for sure. had insomnia for a few nights.

    O wow actually thats a lie I take vitamin D, C, A, fishoil, Iron and b complex but……cmon that shit is baby stuff.

    O another thing I might add that I truly believe makes a huge difference. I eat a really low carb , low glycemic high fat and protein diet high cholestorol diet. I have a feelin that shit helps a lil.

    #15815

    Cleveland

    1) Im not sure what you mean? I do 250 IU everyday not twice a week. and I do liquidex .10 ml every day as well . that equals 1750 IU of HCG a week and .70 ml of liquidex a week as well. Hope that aswers your question

    2) My last phone consult with mariano was febuary 17. He made some protocol for me but I thought it was gona be a waste of time and money. So i was like F*ck it . i dont think im gona work with him anymore, its just to expensive. Though he really is a great doctor I just cant afford it really and no offense but hes takin his sweet time. I made my own decision and turned out to be great . Also im not on any thyroid meds andhavnt been for some time. All I take is HCG and liquidex with some basic vitamins for general health.

    3) My testicles were never small or atrophied to begin with. But I defiently noticed that the HCG made my balls really firm and hard. Actually bugged me out the first couple days. Couldnt stop touching them lol. But my loads are ridicolous on HCG if i abstain for a few days.

    #15816

    Demetrius

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Actually ya what you said makes alot of sense on a restart the best your going to get is T levels sticking around 600-700 some people would take the 600-700 restart so they wont be on HRT for life but im with you on that i have no problems being on HRT as long as i can get the most hormone output my body could offer.

    exactly man. F*ck that I deserve the same quality of life as everyone else. I know what its like to function at great hormone levels. In high school and grammer school I was above and beyond every one in my age group in all sorts of shit. never had energy problems sexual problems whatever. I dont look at HRT as a problem at all. Some people iv spoken to have been like your 20 years old and are gona be condemned to hRT for the rest of your life?

    condemned? get the F*ck outa here man I look at it like im getting my life back. Injecting HCG takes literally 5 seconds. I kinda enjoy it actually lol. dont see what the big deal is if I can get my life back.

    If one day HCG stops working then I will have absoltly no problem going on TRT. Not a big deal in my eyes got over that months ago. Some people really are just afraid, and I think there fear is a result of not understanding and lack of knowledge. F*ck it it you wanna live your life like that go ahead but thats not me.

    #15817

    Domenic

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    #15818

    Desmond

    My bad..

    I mean like now you have reached to some point of achievement with the HCG, are you willing to continue with the same dose?

    or youll drop it down for a while

    and see how your body response with out HCG

    No. Im gona continue everything the same. Theres a chance that when I optimize my remainin hormones I may need less or more will see.

    But why would I go off HCG? using HCG is not like clomid, it shuts down your natural LH production so when you come of my test would be in the 100-200s for a while. no thanks lol.

    #15819

    Alexis

    yo j’s isnt 250iu ED a little to much though longterm?

    #15820

    Dee

    possibly……Iv seen Dr. Chrisler saying as long as its 500 IU and below daily….but I mean iv studied every single monotherapy thread I could find and usually the doses where something along these lines.

    I gotta reavualate everything once I figure some shit out but for now im gona keep it as is.

    #15821

    Bryant

    matter of fact this is from Dr. M

    HCG is one option in maintaining testicular function and testosterone production.

    Whether or not it would keep testosterone levels more stable is questionable. It probably does NOT given the much longer half-life of testosterone cypionate and enanthate (about 7 days on average) compared to testosterone (10-100 minutes).

    I would generally prescribe a total of 3000 IU a week divided into 3 or 7 doses. This would give a testosterone level comparable to Testosterone Cypionate at 100 mg a week.

    “Natural” is a questionably used term. HCG is not natural in men. The use of an aromatase inhibitor is also not natural. Nor is injecting something “natural”. But these options may be necessary or useful to improve function. One primarily needs to assess risk vs. benefit to help make their decision on the course of treatment.

    At a certain age, such as in one’s fifties, the testes become less sensitive to HCG. At this time, HCG will stop working and alternatives would have to be used. Too high a dose of HCG would hasten testicular insensitivity to HCG.

    __________________

    Hes saying he prescribes 3000 IU a week. So im well below that .

    Then Dr. Chrisler says that patients can safely do 500 IU a day which is 3500 a week.

    Also Dr. Shippen who really is a huge adocate of HCG mono says doses usuallly are along the lines of 250 IU to 500 IU 5-7 times a week.

    So I think im good. But once my thyroid and adrenals are optimized I may reduce it will see. I dotn want to densitize my nuts.

    #15822

    Cornell

    Did you just say it felt like u had a metal rod in your dick?!/

    god damnit JS how I miss having a metal rod in my dick, F*ck

    man dude F*ck good job.

    cant wait to have my test results in shitttttt

    any info where I can get those temp things you bought? what are they called exactly

    #15823

    Elbert

    wow man awesome!

    has your PE improved or still same?

    Shit now I’m tempted to get on HCG too.. but my T is not as bad as other things so I donno what will happen.

    Can’t wait to see what your free T looks like but from what you describe sounds like everything is in place.

    #15824

    Columbus

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    #15825

    Jamison

    Thanks lol. What temp things? You mean a theromometer? Thats what I take my temp with lol?

    #15827

    Carl

    Shit is crazy. im so proud of my nuts. Didnt know those fuckers had it in them.

    PE has improved cuse my dick hoenstly gets super hard so its just less sensitive. Dr. Lin talks about it ( I Know i know but some of the stuff he mentions is good) and he says how when the blood presure in your dick is really high its harder to trigger the orgasm response.

    I dont expect optimal performance though until iv fixed all the remainin issues which are still signficant.

    Im sure HCG would do great for you. But you have high SHBG so I dono wat to do for that.

    #15828

    Clark

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    Haha I wish man. I used to live in cali from 5-6 and shit was ballin. Went to the beach everyday. When i was there for mariano remmeberd how beautiful a state it was ( NO Homo lol ) .

    But i think my plan is to be become a physicians assistant after i get my bachelors. Its a 2-3 year graduate plan and alot cheaper and less work then med school. And once you get certified i can do essenstially everything a doctor can . I just get payed less but whatever its not bad.

    Im seriously considerign that. Most likely im gona have to medicate for the rest of my life. Might as well do somethign that gives me all the best oppurtunities and chances. not to mention since all this happend iv sorta come to realize how interesting the human body and everythin related to it is.

    #15829

    Gregg

    Thanks lol. What temp things? You mean a theromometer? Thats what I take my temp with lol?

    haha i was talkin bout the ones mariano used but i guess that works too haha

    #15830

    Travis

    HAHAHA I Know dude shit is crazy. Everywhere you read about how cortisol and testosterone are antagonistic . even mariano was like testosterone blunts the ACTH signal and lowers adrenal output. But for me complete opposite happend lmao.

    Its possible that the HCG is boostin my pregnenolone alot. i think that makes the most sense out of all this. I also hhave really high cholesterol levels cuse of my fucked up thyroid so I have alot of raw material for the downstream hormones.

    Yes its probly raising pregenenlone that makes the most sense , since now you know your testicles are strong as F*ck and HCG mono is raising testosteorne like crazy, maybe you should try a restart?

    na man. Hell no actually. I dont understand peoples obsessions with restarts , no offense speaking more in general right there then you directly.

    I want my hormonal levels to be as strong as possible. My body has let me down already at the age of fucking 18-20. Even if a restart was succesful chances are the moment there is some stress in my life or something happens my levels crash again. F*ck that man im commited to HRT for life. I think im gona go into a medical profesion as a matter of fact so I can eventually jusst be in control myself.

    I also think the key to healing SE is having all your hormones as stable as possible, give your body a chance to heal the damage and get out of this mess.

    Thanks for the input though

    Thats what im mother fucking talking about jS

    in fact, move to california with me and fucking go to med school with me haha

    Haha I wish man. I used to live in cali from 5-6 and shit was ballin. Went to the beach everyday. When i was there for mariano remmeberd how beautiful a state it was ( NO Homo lol ) .

    But i think my plan is to be become a physicians assistant after i get my bachelors. Its a 2-3 year graduate plan and alot cheaper and less work then med school. And once you get certified i can do essenstially everything a doctor can . I just get payed less but whatever its not bad.

    Im seriously considerign that. Most likely im gona have to medicate for the rest of my life. Might as well do somethign that gives me all the best oppurtunities and chances. not to mention since all this happend iv sorta come to realize how interesting the human body and everythin related to it is.

    Ya true that. Come over to california anyways haha. we’ll game bitches on the beach all day with our new & improved dicks & scientific lingo from all this researching xD

    #15831

    Rodrick

    where do i get this HCG mono from?

    and did it make your penis any larger(NO HOMO DuDE! its just a question)

    #15832

    Vicente

    Its just HCG…..mono stands for monotherapy. You sould do some research before you embark on cuse its clear you have no idea what this is . Not to mention baseline labs

    My penis size has never changed , whether my T has been low or super high.

    #15833

    Cliff

    ok. I think i should just stay away from it then lol.

    #15834

    Merle

    This is superb news js. Great job!! May it always stay this way.

    #15836

    Eusebio

    JS what was your Testosterone (total and free) before you went on HCG?

    #15837

    Leonardo

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    #15838

    Caleb

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    #15839

    Michal

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    #15840

    Franklyn

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    #15841

    Willy

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    LH not LF. You can hasten the recovery with clomid or you can just wait for the system to start naturally. From what iv seen it takes about 3-5 weeks for baseline levels to gradually return after discontinuation.

    im commited to HRT for life. I have no doubt in my mind of the benefits.

    #15842

    Adolph

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    LH not LF. You can hasten the recovery with clomid or you can just wait for the system to start naturally. From what iv seen it takes about 3-5 weeks for baseline levels to gradually return after discontinuation.

    im commited to HRT for life. I have no doubt in my mind of the benefits.

    Ok. Do you know what is the function of FSH? I know LH is what causes the testes to produce Testosterone. But I am not sure what FSH does. The Pituitary gland releases LH and FSH in response to GnRH that it receives from the Hypothalamus.

    #15843

    Hipolito

    ranged from 350-550 on 8 diffrent draws .

    I would say the average was about 480 or so. Very low normal basically.

    E2 was about 20 usually.

    Hypothetical question => let’s say you briefly stop taking HCG for couple of weeks. What will happen to your Testosterone then? Will your testicles still be pumping it out?

    No HCG shuts down natural production. After a few days without my natural test would be in the 100s. that would be the case until my natural LH and FSh levels recovered and restrored my baseline values.

    and how do LF and FSH recover on their own?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking so many questions. But it looks like you will have to keep using this stuff forever.

    LH not LF. You can hasten the recovery with clomid or you can just wait for the system to start naturally. From what iv seen it takes about 3-5 weeks for baseline levels to gradually return after discontinuation.

    im commited to HRT for life. I have no doubt in my mind of the benefits.

    Ok. Do you know what is the function of FSH? I know LH is what causes the testes to produce Testosterone. But I am not sure what FSH does. The Pituitary gland releases LH and FSH in response to GnRH that it receives from the Hypothalamus.

    FSH is for sperm production or some shit. Not really important for our purposes.

    #15844

    Rashad

    Iv decided to reduce my schedule to the following

    175 IU ED and .075 MG arimidex ED for a total of 1225 iu a week.

    and .525 liquidex.

    Im doing this to avoid any leydig densitization and see what my minimal dose is.

    #15845

    Filiberto

    Do you think your body will still produce its own Testosterone though??

    #15846

    Judson

    from what i learned from researching.

    You have to bring in the testosterone slowly into your body for it to stay there. i could be wrong.

    #15847

    Modesto

    its is producing its own. Dont get what you want.

    #15848

    Kip

    ya that makes no sense whatsoever.

    #15849

    Johnathon

    feel any difference on the new dose?

    #15850

    Gerardo

    only been two days. None at all morning wood same as always .

    I think my previous dose was to high . There are some HCG mono threads iv seen where guys use 100 IU ED and get 800 levels as the trough value so 250 IU ed was to much. According to Janz and an HCG study done its about 300-350 IU EOD or 150-175 ED thats equivalent to full replacement of LH.

    My prediction is that 175 ED still gets me to 800-900 levels T.

    I really cant wait for results for the other stuff I really need to fix my thyroid

    #15851

    Leon

    JS what problems do you have with thyroid? Do you specifically experience any symptoms?

    I don’t seem to experience any symptoms of hypothyroidism

    #15852

    Hunter

    Ya i have high reverse T3 and mediocore free T3 which makes for a very hypothyroid situation in my body. My metabolism is very slow.

    Because I ignored this for some time and was to focused on my dick this has lead to

    1) blood sugar issues

    2) really high cholestrol

    I also have bouts of fatigue. I used to think it was cortisol but no longer. My cortisol seems solid. Its more related to my thyroid.

    Thyroid is also highly linked to depresion which I have. Optimal thyroid function helps create and resensitze the nervous system to serotonin, dopamine, norepiinephrine, and epinephrine all of which affect mood ofcourse.

    Thats why its so important to have optimal hormones before attempting neurotransmitters because they all affect it.

    #15853

    Patrick

    Have you checked your antibodies?

    #15854

    Rupert

    Have you checked your antibodies?

    ya there all good. I just have the high Rt3 and low Free t3.

    Oh well at least its simple to solve. The only issue after that is SHBG. hopefully it dosnt go up that would be amazing.

    My plan is run labs for testosterone and SHBG and E2 in 6 days on this new dose.

    wait for all the blood work coming in. and then begin t3 only if my cortisol is good.

    #15855

    Darryl

    if we expect that your low cortisol was the cause of RT3, then your new levels should lower it….

    Low conversion of T4 and t3..is another aspect you need to suspect., one of the main things you need to test is the nutrition deficiency….i know this topic piss you off but believe or not they are one of the main causes of poor thyroid outcomes and RT3 …

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    #15856

    Harrison

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    you know, iv seen all sorts of theroies of hwo to fix Rt3 without doing T3 only.

    the guys on musclechat are always lookin for new solutions and iv seen guys who are in less dire situations then me do all that.

    they fix every single nutrient they can, every hormonre they can ( aside for fhyroid ofcourse) and i have yet to see Rt3 auto correct itself.

    The same story for the Rt3 yahoo group.

    the only thing iv seen guarented work is T3 only.

    You know if I had access to TRT with a great doc like chrisler this would be no big deal.

    Iv even talked to him about it , he was like you never worry about SHBG you just super impose T over it until you get good free levels and resolve symptoms.

    whatever will see gotta be patient . If i dont fix my thyrodi im gona have alot of issues later in life.

    #15857

    Randolph

    Looks as though chilln’s theories might hold true. Seems that by increasing your T via HCG increased your cortisol levels, which looks like an increase in metabolic rate. Dunno why the thyroid didn’t increase, though.

    Have you tried Chilln’s Preg + thyroid theory? It’s supposed to boost your metabolic rate to maximum, which he says *FORCES* EVERY single hormone to be increased to its maximum, as the cells wont tolerate anything lower. I think he thinks its the most effective way to boost all your hormones before having to go on TRT, especially if you’re young.

    I believe some people recover former function after forcing their metabolic rate to maximum, it just reprograms the cells permanently to stay at that rate, which is mad high. OR after you boost it to maximum, you can back off most of the preg and continue taking maintenance thyroid doses to keep it cranked up. It might be the better choice than desensitizing your nuts to hcg, and theres also WAY less meds to juggle, which can get fucking hard if you have to adjust 5 different meds to make sure your levels are good, if you boost your resting metabolic rate, all your hormones adjust themselves and go up to their max. jury’s still out tho, but he seems like a really smart guy.

    #15858

    Keenan

    Ya iv read all his primers till Im blue in the face. Im bascially on musclechat alot more then im here. The answers to my problems are there, this place is just….i dono even know what this place is anymore.

    Back in febuary I tried a theraputic trial with life flo preg. It def does increase your cortisol, at least for me based on symptoms.

    But my thyroid situation is complicated. My problems stems from to high Rt3 and the only guarented way to lower that is T3 only. Only problem with that is its notoriously known for increasing SHBG as well which would F*ck my Free T. A sacrifice im not willin to make.

    I think alot of chillins theories are true especially the metabolic rate.

    I mean my metabolic rate is def shity and my T levels were 500. So i can only assume boosting it would get me higher.

    But whatever to late for that not to mention I really dont want to experiment with it.

    Iv dropped my HCG Dose and will get blood done in a few days to know how that changes things.

    Im also waitin on all sorts of other blood work to see what my next move is.

    Will see shit is fuckin stresful as F*ck though.

    #15859

    Jerry

    RT3 is very often (maybe exclusively?) caused by low cortisol.

    T4 Has couple of places to go

    T4 -> T3

    T4 -> RT3

    T4 goes to RT3 when your cortisol levels are too low for it to go to T3, it’s a safety mechanism because RT3 is basically inert so it wont exhibit any metabolic boosting activity. I have a feeling if your cortisol line is operating perfectly that your Thyroid should improve. And even if it doesnt, you can always just add in t3. my 2 cents. I just think going about it this way would be the least headache, and the least ammount of drugs you have to take to get the same result is huge.

    #15860

    Ismael

    I understand. Iv seen all those theories as well. Its not true for everyone though. Im fairly certain my cortisol is optimal now. Ill have results in a few days. My prediciton is I still got high Rt3.

    #15861

    Carrol

    Thyroid

    Free T3= 2.7 Range= 2.0-4.4

    RT3= 332 Range= 90-350

    Total T3= 76 Range 71-180

    Total T4= 6.3 Range= 4.5-12

    sex hormones

    Total T= 950 Range=350-1030

    Bioavailable T= 549 Range= 128-430

    DHT=44 Range= 30-85

    Prolactin= 5.6 Range= 4.0-15.2

    E2= 4 Range= 3-70

    Estrone= 31 range 12-72

    Adrenals

    Cortisol AM= 17.2 Range= 6.2-19.4

    DHEA S= 321 Range= 211-492

    progesterone= 0.7 Range= 0.2 -1.4

    Pregnenolone= 44 Range <151

    Other

    IGF1= 320 Range =120-424

    Ferritin= 118 range= 30-400

    Insulin free= <1.5 Range=0-22

    insulin total= <1.2 Range= 0-22

    vitamin D= 99 Range 0-100

    Ok so Im still watin on the 24 urine cortisol but based on symptoms, blood sugar, and AM cortisol my prediciton is its gona be solid.

    Things that stick out clearly are my low Free T3 and high Rt3. This ratio has only goten worse over the course of the last year and needs to be dealt with. I know the guarented option to work is to do T3 only but im worried about the rise in SHBG. The top level free Testosterone has been doing wonders for my sex drive and erections so I would prefer not to screw this up.

    Has anyone seen a combination of armour and low dose T3 work for lowering Rt3? I think I saw Dr. John and Hardasnails mention they have used that before.

    I also want to make the switch from HCG mono to testosterone cypionate and HCG. I think its more reliable and once im tuned in for everything I wont have to worry about HCG potency and leydig desensitiaztion etc etc. Im lookin for a doctor to help me with this.

    Also I might add. Going low carb ( less then 30 grams a day for 6 months now) has done wonders for my insulin. Its super low but my blood sugar is still a lil high sometimes because of my slow metabolism ( thyroid).

    for now my thinking looks something like this

    1) switch from HCG mono to Tcyp and HCG.

    2) Finish fine tuning test and E2.

    3) Begin Work on thyroid and adrenals

    #15862

    Jessie

    you could try boosting pregnenolone..

    thats the hot topic right now boosting pregnenolone, progesterone, cortisol

    post your results here

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    id be interested in what they say

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