The search for a jumpstart solution

Sexual Reboot Forum The search for a jumpstart solution

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  • #1117

    Jerold

    – Overview of previous methods –

    * Dr.Lin Method: Androstenedione + DHEA + choline + 5-HTP + L-dopa +multi-vitamin + amino acids + herbs (not including ariginine, GABA, borage and fish oil)

    * TCM Method: Gladular extracts + herbs, usually kidney yin and or kidney yang pattern

    * W. Method: Tribex (and or 6-OXO) + choline + 5-HTP + L-tyrosine + multi-vitamin

    * Alan Ritz Method: Hydroxyandrost-4-ene-6, 17-dioxo-3-THP ether (3-OHAT) + 3, 7-diketo-androst-1,4,6-triene (ATD) + L-ariginine (preferably AAKG, L-citrulline and L-ornithine) + choline + 5-HTP + L-tyrosine + amino acids (preferably whey protein) + TCM herbs

    – Current leads in the search for a jumpstart solution –

    * Animal organs (+ other factors): looking into by Max

    * Tongkat Ali 1:50 (+ other factors): a hypothesis by myself

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    #1118

    Sung

    Well it’s starting to look like we’re making a turn around to the W. era when the emphasis was mainly on Testosterone. It is apparent to me that Testosterone is the key to recovery for those who are suffering from sexual dysfunction due to over-masturbation/ejaculation. As said, Testosterone is needed to intiate a jump-start so that the recharged ANS system can recharge the endocrine system who can in turn recharge the ANS without an outside source of Testosterone thereby breaking the sexual exhaustion phase.

    But if chyrsin, soy, zinc, DHEA and Androstenedione is not the anwser but W’s proposed LH/FSH focused Tribex, Gingseng, Redkat, 6-OXO, ZMA etc. method cannot do it for the rest of us, what can do it? No one here has yet to try Alan Ritz’s recommended Testosterone boosting substances Hydroxyandrost-4-ene-6, 17-dioxo-3-THP ether (3-OHAT) + 3, 7-diketo-androst-1,4,6-triene (ATD) but I searched on google and found them in a Nolvadex mimicking formula and I have tried both Nolvadex and Clomid neither of which had any noticable effect on me. Can Tongkat Ali 1:50 do it? One testimony claimed that it does bring libido up to a rapist level but it goes down after a while and it does not have the pumping ability of Viagra (well that’s where L-Citruline comes in) and overall is better than Yohimbe, Viagra, Dopaminergic drugs and lesser extracts of Tongkat Ali. Forum member has confirmed that Tongkat Ali 1:50 extract has this ability at least in short term. No products out of the hundreds I’ve experimented with has such power, the time will come when I put Tongkat Ali 1:50 extract to the test. Can it do what no other substances has done before to me?

    #1119

    Freddy

    I hope it does so for you man!

    keep us posted.

    #1120

    Jared

    do you know what your T level is?

    #1121

    Gus

    My Testosterone was tested in 2004 at 549 ng/dl which is not bad but the normal range is too wide in the medical community. According to Dr.Lin, many sexually exhausted young men still have testosterone levels above 500 ng/dl and my testosterone level is normal for a 60 year old. For someone 19-21 years old, the normal is around 800-1000 ng/dl.

    I have all the symptoms of low testosterone but according to my doctor, it’s normal. Perhaps it’s depression? * sarcasm *

    #1122

    Perry

    Yes most doctors know little about how to interpret the numbers or what the ranges truly represent. The ‘healthy’ testosterone range is often specified as being between approximately 250 – 1000 but this is covering the age range 18 – 80. A young male should be in or near to the upper third of this range.

    Are you sure stuff like Nolvadex didn’t help you? How long did you use it for and at what dosage? I personally managed to jump my T quite a lot by using Nolva. Perhaps you should get up to date blood tests?

    #1123

    Perry

    im going to try the ZRT testosterone test , i just ordered it

    #1124

    Reggie

    , well if it did boosted my testosterone it certainly didn’t improve my libido or my sexual functioning.

    Here’s a good article on Clomid, Arimidex and Tongkat ali: http://www.asiatour.com/enhancing2.htm (article says that Clomid does increase Testosterone via FSH/LH but does not increase libido, on the other hand Tongkat ali increases Testosterone and also libido)

    On Yohimbine, Dopaminergic drugs, Viagra and Tongkat ali: http://www.asiatour.com/tongkatali_superior.htm

    #1125

    Tomas

    Thats what I was wondering. My T sure went up but it didn’t improve my sexual function at all…

    However I do think prescription meds are the only effective, albeit more harsh and dangerous, way to significantly increase T levels. Have you considered Dostinex for libido? This lowers prolactin and increases dopamine and usually also results in an increase in T…

    #1126

    Gregory

    I’ll go with Tongkat Ali…have you took that medication?

    #1127

    Reed

    which? dostinex? not yet but i reckon i will soon. docs are no help and supplements don’t seem to be helping me a great deal either…

    #1128

    Dorsey

    machine,

    clomid must have increased your testosterone but your dopamine must have been low or there might be something esle which maybe effecting your libido and erection for e.g. prolactin. on dr lins website he said that testosterone and dopamine work in conjuction for libido. having testosterone and not dopamine (vice versa) might not increase libido. i searched on the ncbi website for case studies for testosterone increase when using clomid. in these case studies the testosterone increases are impressive.

    Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio. METHODS: Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed. RESULTS: The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 +/- 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 +/- 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4-6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 +/- 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients. CONCLUSIONS: Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16422830&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

    Secondary hypogonadism is more common than primary gonadal failure and is seen in chronic and acute illnesses. Although testosterone has a role in erections, its importance in erectile dysfunction (ED) has been controversial. Hypogonadism produced by functional suppression of pituitary gonadotropins has been shown to correct with clomiphene citrate, but with a modest effect on sexual function. We wondered if longer treatment would produce improved results. A total of 178 men with secondary hypogonadism and ED received clomiphene citrate for 4 months. Sexual function improved in 75%, with no change in 25%, while significant increases in luteinizing hormone (P<0.001) and free testosterone (P<0.001) occurred in all patients. Multivariable analysis showed that responses decreased significantly with aging (P<0.05). Decreased responses also occurred in men with diabetes, hypertension, coronary artery disease, and multiple medication use. Since these conditions are more prevalent with aging, chronic disease may be a more important determinant of sexual dysfunction. Men with anxiety-related disorders responded better to normalization of testosterone. Assessment of androgen status should be accomplished in all men with ED. For those with lower than normal age-matched levels of testosterone treatment directed at normalizing testosterone with clomiphene citrate is a viable alternative to giving androgen supplements.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12904801&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum

    #1129

    Ray

    According to Dr.Lin it is DHT that is responsible for libido.

    #1130

    Hollis

    so since i myself have a low libido there are several thingz at hand here:

    1- low testostoreone (not my case)

    2- low dopamine (highly possible since thyroid function is affected by low dopamine and my thyroid results are a bit in the low end of the range. although my doctor says their fine)

    3- DHEA (I will get this checked out although i’m not sure how it is related to low libido)

    4- DHT (according to Dr Lin)

    5-prolactin (hmm not sure how that can be solved).

    #1131

    Chas

    for libido, the main hormone is testosterone and the main neurotransmitter is dopamine. there are other things which can increase libido but its not to the same extent as testosterone and dopamine.

    Libido is associated with the dopamine and testosterone level. Dopamine and testosterone can make you become very sexually adventured and aggressive.

    http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case10063.htm

    Libido can be driven by elevating your testosterone and Dopamine in the brain. You need more testosterone and dopamine to increase your libido.

    #1132

    Lindsay

    i definitely agree about the agression factor. i noticed that i become easily agitated/irratted or agressive against sometimes the slightest thing- i dunno why but it just happens spontaneously

    #1133

    Vance

    Proviron is part of my jump start solution!

    it cover the DHT aspect

    im going to work for months on this solution

    no activity at all,fix all my transmitters, and valve issues,then do a massive jump start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    my testo is going to be so high ill grow balls on my chin i can tell you that much!and thats just one part of it:)

    #1134

    Errol

    proviron?

    is that some sort of drug

    #1135

    Todd

    is basically an orally active DHT

    #1136

    Tyrell

    Time

    i would defintely recommend you to show that drug to a doctor since DHT is very dangerous. it is involved with prostate cancer, prostate enlargement, and hair loss.

    nearly everyone has got good DHT levels. it is very rare for a person to be low on DHT. even people with low testosterone have got ordinary DHT levels.

    #1137

    Minh

    i would defintely recommend you to show that drug to a doctor since DHT is very dangerous. it is involved with prostate cancer, prostate enlargement, and hair loss.

    nearly everyone has got good DHT levels. it is very rare for a person to be low on DHT. even people with low testosterone have got ordinary DHT levels.

    hair loss thats genetic,as for prostate enlargment that comes down to dose,and cancer will be made worse by this if you already have it.

    it has no effect on current levels of test, as in it will not supress hormone production within the body-

    all comes down to dose,used for short amounts of time its all good.

    can you show me somthing about every one having good amounts of dht even when they have low testo man,cheers

    #1138

    Nigel

    i would defintely recommend you to show that drug to a doctor since DHT is very dangerous. it is involved with prostate cancer, prostate enlargement, and hair loss.

    nearly everyone has got good DHT levels. it is very rare for a person to be low on DHT. even people with low testosterone have got ordinary DHT levels.

    Testosterone converts directly into DHT so it is very possible you could have low DHT if you do not have enough testosterone to convert. Of course having too much DHT could be the very reason a person has low testosterone.

    Adminstering exogenous DHT can damage your body’s natural ability to make testosterone so I would be careful if you are planning to use Proviron.

    #1139

    Mikel

    When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact.

    that dose is all thats needed,it will not cause feedback problems.

    #1140

    Jordon

    Yes in a low dose it should be ok. But you also have to bear in mind that every individual is different so for some people it could still cause problems. Also it will depend how long you use it for. How long are you planning to use it for and do you have a reputable place to buy it from? Proviron is also heavily metabolised in the liver which is worth bearing in mind…

    Do you actually know what your DHT levels are before trying this?

    #1141

    Burl

    there is only a small amount of dht in the blood. the range is 30ng/dl – 80ng/dl. this is the reason why people with low testosterone still have dht levels in the range because there is only a small amount of dht in the blood. if a person has extremely low testosterone levels like below 60ng/dl then this can possibly cause low dht. if your body produces excessive 5 alpha reductase which converts testosterone to dht then this can cause low testosterone and high dht levels. in some medical conditions people do not even produce 5 alpha reductase which means they have little or no dht.

    #1142

    Bennie

    it be used for 14 days and droped after that

    its part of the jump start

    if i have 5 times as much in me for that time thats good.

    #1143

    Alex

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    #1144

    Wilmer

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    #1145

    Jude

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    Time, this is all fine and I am all for people being proactive and trying to help themselves out of this mess when doctors and supplements/herbs fail us. But what makes you so convinced DHT is part of your problem? Clearly you have not had it tested. You should establish as baseline of figures before playing drastically with your hormones and potentially disrupting your HPTA.

    #1146

    Len

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    the research on those herbs for inhibiting dht is very little.

    #1147

    Reynaldo

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    Time, this is all fine and I am all for people being proactive and trying to help themselves out of this mess when doctors and supplements/herbs fail us. But what makes you so convinced DHT is part of your problem? Clearly you have not had it tested. You should establish as baseline of figures before playing drastically with your hormones and potentially disrupting your HPTA.

    DHT will not affect my HPTA. im months away from taking this drug and completing the jump start plan-this is just one of the many chemicals i will be using-by the time i have a solid jump start plan i will know which hormones i am rich in and which im not-so i can take away whats not needed.

    i will be using loads of diffent things, covering every angle of this-

    we have tried many things on this board, sadly not gaining the results needed-im trying sothing totally diffent,and probably unsafe but im willing to do it-

    for me its worth the risk.

    #1148

    Adolph

    which products will you be using for a jumpstart?

    #1149

    Austin

    i will post my plan up when it is complete.

    #1150

    Ben

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    Time, this is all fine and I am all for people being proactive and trying to help themselves out of this mess when doctors and supplements/herbs fail us. But what makes you so convinced DHT is part of your problem? Clearly you have not had it tested. You should establish as baseline of figures before playing drastically with your hormones and potentially disrupting your HPTA.

    DHT will not affect my HPTA. im months away from taking this drug and completing the jump start plan-this is just one of the many chemicals i will be using-by the time i have a solid jump start plan i will know which hormones i am rich in and which im not-so i can take away whats not needed.

    i will be using loads of diffent things, covering every angle of this-

    we have tried many things on this board, sadly not gaining the results needed-im trying sothing totally diffent,and probably unsafe but im willing to do it-

    for me its worth the risk.

    Nice one dude. Hopefully the short term risks will be outweighed by the long term benefits. Just making sure you are going into this with both your eyes wide open, which you seem to be.

    Keep us posted.

    #1151

    Dannie

    yes m8,, really am thankfull for the concern from all on this board, as i say im still a long way from completing this plan,this is just one part of the puzzle.

    #1152

    Ken

    , having low DHT does not necessarily mean that you have low Testosterone levels. In order for Testosterone to be converted into DHT your liver needs to produce the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. If your liver is not functioning very well there will be insufficient 5-alpha reductase and therefore DHT.

    #1153

    Mitchell

    Sorry but don’t think I ever necessarily said this was the case, just that it was possible. High DHT from excessive 5ar conversion or high Estrogens from excessive aromatase conversion are both possible reasons for depleted testosterone.

    Likewise if you have another reason for low testosterone, such as hypogonadism, this could impact on your DHT and/or Estrogen levels by meaning there is not enough available for healthy conversion.

    Alternatively, as you say, it could simply be down to the fact you have a deficiency in the relevant enzyme.

    There are several reasons and I was trying to make the point that you must take time and care to first understand the cause of your imbalances (if indeed you have any) before embarking on any form of HRT.

    #1154

    Walker

    wanted to bring this back up.

    #1155

    Harrison

    did anyone experiment with

    * Alan Ritz Method: Hydroxyandrost-4-ene-6, 17-dioxo-3-THP ether (3-OHAT) + 3, 7-diketo-androst-1,4,6-triene (ATD) + L-ariginine (preferably AAKG, L-citrulline and L-ornithine) + choline + 5-HTP + L-tyrosine + amino acids (preferably whey protein) + TCM herbs from http://www.dragonherbs.com

    overall this seems to be a very solid method for the jump start.

    does anyone know what these are Hydroxyandrost-4-ene-6, 17-dioxo-3-THP ether (3-OHAT) + 3, 7-diketo-androst-1,4,6-triene (ATD)?

    #1156

    Julian

    its in a bodybuilding supplement, i believe its called attitude by SAN if i remember correctly

    #1157

    Oswaldo

    i would defintely recommend you to show that drug to a doctor since DHT is very dangerous. it is involved with prostate cancer, prostate enlargement, and hair loss.

    nearly everyone has got good DHT levels. it is very rare for a person to be low on DHT. even people with low testosterone have got ordinary DHT levels.

    hair loss thats genetic,as for prostate enlargment that comes down to dose,and cancer will be made worse by this if you already have it.

    it has no effect on current levels of test, as in it will not supress hormone production within the body-

    all comes down to dose,used for short amounts of time its all good.

    can you show me somthing about every one having good amounts of dht even when they have low testo man,cheers

    #1158

    Lyle

    i would defintely recommend you to show that drug to a doctor since DHT is very dangerous. it is involved with prostate cancer, prostate enlargement, and hair loss.

    nearly everyone has got good DHT levels. it is very rare for a person to be low on DHT. even people with low testosterone have got ordinary DHT levels.

    Testosterone converts directly into DHT so it is very possible you could have low DHT if you do not have enough testosterone to convert. Of course having too much DHT could be the very reason a person has low testosterone.

    Adminstering exogenous DHT can damage your body’s natural ability to make testosterone so I would be careful if you are planning to use Proviron.

    #1159

    Donn

    When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact.

    that dose is all thats needed,it will not cause feedback problems.

    #1160

    Aron

    Yes in a low dose it should be ok. But you also have to bear in mind that every individual is different so for some people it could still cause problems. Also it will depend how long you use it for. How long are you planning to use it for and do you have a reputable place to buy it from? Proviron is also heavily metabolised in the liver which is worth bearing in mind…

    Do you actually know what your DHT levels are before trying this?

    #1161

    King

    there is only a small amount of dht in the blood. the range is 30ng/dl – 80ng/dl. this is the reason why people with low testosterone still have dht levels in the range because there is only a small amount of dht in the blood. if a person has extremely low testosterone levels like below 60ng/dl then this can possibly cause low dht. if your body produces excessive 5 alpha reductase which converts testosterone to dht then this can cause low testosterone and high dht levels. in some medical conditions people do not even produce 5 alpha reductase which means they have little or no dht.

    #1162

    Antone

    it be used for 14 days and droped after that

    its part of the jump start

    if i have 5 times as much in me for that time thats good.

    #1163

    Barrett

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    #1164

    Chung

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    #1165

    Casey

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    Time, this is all fine and I am all for people being proactive and trying to help themselves out of this mess when doctors and supplements/herbs fail us. But what makes you so convinced DHT is part of your problem? Clearly you have not had it tested. You should establish as baseline of figures before playing drastically with your hormones and potentially disrupting your HPTA.

    #1166

    Rob

    Time

    high dht is not good since it binds to the prostate. you should go to a doctor and ask him about this medicine.

    the doc is useless and there for of no use to me what so ever with this situation-

    there are many herbs and even chemicals that counter the binding of this chemical to the prostate tissue.

    the research on those herbs for inhibiting dht is very little.

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