Ultimate Guide for SE Recovery

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  • #1490

    Rodney

    The basic principles for recovery are:

    1. Nutritional nourishment

    2. Celibacy (Variable)

    3. Exercise

    4. Time

    Nutritional nourishment

    Here I will go through what we have learnt from research on what we need for recovery.

    Rule number 1: take only precursors that your body CANNOT create. This is because if you give your body a chemical it usually manufactures on its own for a prolonged period of time, then it will stop manufacturing its own chemical and start relying on supplements for that chemical. This is because the equilibrium in the blood stream goes haywire and for your body to counter-act it, it stops secreting more and more from its own glands. Examples of this is testosterone in testosterone therapy (testicles shut down); melatonin secretion with melatonin supplements (pineal gland secretion is less), and so on. Never give your body the direct chemical, your body is smart, if you only give it precursors, it will convert only how much it needs, 5-htp for example is very good as its a precursor of serotonin and your body doesn’t make it naturally; DHEA on the other hand is bad, even though a precursor of sex hormones (testosterone), your body gets DHEA from cholesterol and stores on the outer adrenal glands (above the kidneys), side effect of DHEA are lowered levels of HDL cholesterol, and so your body changes the blood and gene expressions to keep equilibrium by lowering the storage of cholesterol. Its like serotonin gets secreted from the pineal gland when needed and is synthesised from amino acids, DHEA is secreted from the outer adrenal glands when needed and then stored cholesterol is converted to DHEA to keep stocks up.

    Neurotransmitters

    Acetylcholine (ACh) – parasympathetic:

    Recharges the body while sleeping or deep relaxation (meditation), this is usually the most important factor in recovery and many people with adequate levels of this neurotransmitter can recover through temporary celibacy.

    Sadly choline the precursor of ACh is deficient in modern western diet, our bodies do produce their own choline (need to look up from what, I think b vitamins), but this is not enough for recommended daily amount or anywhere near for sexual exhaustion recovery.

    Foods high in choline:

    Soy – Do not recommend due to widespread of GM and reduces testosterone

    Beef Liver – Do not recommend due to parasites

    Egg Yolks – Recommend

    WHFoods

    Dopamine – sympathetic:

    Regulates testosterone levels, inhibits prolactin secretion, and can be converted to epinephrine and norepinephrine.

    Wiki

    This is where dopamine becomes heaven and hell for the sexually exhausted. Over masturbation for a prolonged period of time will alter the gene expression so dopamine gets converted into epinephrine and norepinephrine excessively, which in turn puts the body in sympathetic mode (energy usage) rather than parasypmpathetic mode (regeneration).

    Dr Lin

    The conundrum here is how do I keep a high dopamine, testosterone level, and inhibit prolactin without having dopamine excessively convert into norepinephrine.

    The solution is higher Acetylcholine and Serotonin.

    Dr Lin (Referring to a female case but same principle)

    GABA:

    Serotonin:

    Melatonin:

    Hormones

    DHEA:

    Wiki

    Testosterone:

    Dr Lin

    Oxytocin:

    This is the orgasm hormone. Prolactin is a hormone that will inhibit oxytocin production and excessive prolactin will result in orgasmic dysfunction.

    The solution is for a high dopamine level which will inhibit prolactin thus allowing oxytocin to be produced.

    Foods:

    Why I recommend eating 4-6 raw egg yolks daily

    1. Extremely high in Choline which is a main ingredient for Acetlycholine.

    2. High in Cholesterol which the body derives DHEA. DHEA is used to create Testosterone and help cure Adrenal Fatigue.

    3. Cholesterol with Magnesium create Oxytocin receptors.

    To be finished…

    There is another way that you can stop porn addiction, chronic masturbation and recover your sexual health without fighting it with willpower. With the right mindset you won't even relapse. You can learn more about the recovery program here

    #1492

    Quinton

    thanks man, continue this good guide!

    #1494

    Antone

    good effort with this post man- glad to see it.

    #1496

    Cliff

    why don’t all the experienced and to a small extent not so experienced members (like myself) contribute to the text. there’s so much knowledge on the forum. yingyang on diet for example. proven stuff with real experiences of real members. it could grow into a very big manual that memebrs could download and edit. something like the linux open source of sexual exhaustion. btw whatever happened to dave w! would have been interesting to hear his condition post-recovery..

    #1498

    Lesley

    the guide just doesn’t look right in style.

    hmm a wiki page would be so much better, shame thats likely to be deleted due to it ot being scientifically proven.

    it looks too hard for people to read, i’ve smallened the text in hope it looks a little better.

    any suggtions folk, maybe better as a word document?

    I think maybe the quotes make it look messy, think I should remove them or just intergrate them as text?

    #1500

    Devin

    i think a word document with the quotes highlihted in bold would be a good idea

    #1502

    Kelley

    “In the brain, the excessive norepinephrine and epinephrine nervous action can constantly switch the autonomic nervous function from the parasympathetic mode to the sympathetic mode to burn your energy and exhaust your body.”

    is this happeing all the time, how do u stop this from happening, and what are the signs?

    #1503

    Rubin

    Its already there above and below the quote, i’d rather not repeat it.

    #1504

    Elijah

    Hello creators and admins of the forum, what a good idea indeed it was to create one on this teribble truth playing in each of our lives.

    I would like to ask if it be possible to put this as a sticky or have a vote/poll on the it?

    I know its not finished but the nutritional part is nearly completed and answers a lot of questions for the basic facts to the forum member.

    As you can see I’ve tried to make it as based upon evidence and consensus agreement; I hope to add on a future date how omega 3/6 work to help recovery (its not just PGE’s, but will explain what happens with you neurons and why they say its good for your brain).

    I’m sorry I haven’t been on the forum much providing more information, you know how it goes when you get these bursts on energy to do something; I also have to try and be flexible around the family as they don’t know my condition and I don’t want them to know.

    Regards.

    #1505

    Rudolph

    that would be a great idea

    #1507

    Frankie

    Quote:Does the same thing happen with fish oils, borage oil, multi vitamins, or ginseng/gingko biloba?

    #1509

    Steven

    No because your body can’t create them.

    #1510

    Neil

    so your body cant become dependent on those things?

    #1511

    Weldon

    no, its just like eating food, unless thats what you mean by dependence.

    #1512

    Deangelo

    I have done much much hours of research on the topic of over masterbating and sexual exhaustion. Dr Lin is very vague in his diagnoses and very quick to put down his link to his product order form.

    I have read through many of his cases/replies if not all of them. His theory of kick starting the battery here is exactly what he means.

    The master yin is achytcholine why this powers up the parasypthetic nervous system were the main nervous system connects to all the organs (Please excuse the spelling). Once your liver function gradually gets back to normal the liver converts raw proteins and vitamins into neuro nutrients seratonin, gaba, dopamin etc the neuro transmitters we have burnt out and your adrenal gland function goes back to normal the adrenal gland produces DHEA there fore testoerone which is essential for recovery since the brain also has hormone receptors. Older people adrenal functions get weaker with age thats why Dr Lin recommends they take a dose of DHEA to help them out.

    Therefor the bodies battery is recharged then it can rejuvenate it self but you must first drop your ejaculation frequency to 0, take a potent choline precursors such as alph GPC, acytel L Cartinine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, B Vitamins, fish oil, L-Arginine. To Gradually rejuvenate the parasymthetic nerves.

    In the mean time if your suffering from eye floaters and such take 5-HTP phew times and stop masterbating in phew days this will go.

    Also dont think Testoerone alone will give you erections. Its the parasymtheic nervous that give you erections with also a healthy seratonin and Gaba nervous system.

    Excessive over masterbating or ejculating creates DHT a potent form of testoerone the DHT connects to the hair root folicals which produce male patern boldness. It also brings prostate problems and helps create Acne take ZINC to help that or just good multi vitamin. Drink Tomato and vegatable juices to flush your blood stream of this potent hormone DHT. The main thing you can do is drop your ejaculation freqency to 0 and it will grow back depending on your age you can also take Saw Palmetto or a good soy milk. Soy contains phytoestrogens which mimic the DHT and protect the hair root folicals.

    Another myth i have heard is to drop your ejculation frequency to once a week this is Dr Lins way of making people wait longer for recovery and order more products. You SHOULD NOT EJACULATE UNTIL YOU HAVE A SUPER HARD SPONTANOUS ERECTION THEN ONCE YOU KICK START YOU HAVE TO HAVE GREAT SELF CONTROL AND KEEP A HEALTH EJACULATION FREQUENCY.

    #1514

    Harley

    ALA has been used in europe for about 20 years as a drug for type 2 diabetics. While its partitioning qualities are up for debate, its ability to increase insulin sensitivty is not. It is also an extremely strong anti-oxidant that also is quite liver protectant and it helps chelate heavy metals in the body

    #1516

    Reed

    Jase

    Good point. Please, lets everyone remember to not go back to harmful masturbation/ejaculation frequency or soon you will find yourself in the same situation as where you started. I recommend masturbation/ejaculation once every two weeks as a basic principle. When the healing force gets stronger, we will notice it in our daily life with happier mood and more energy.

    Good and tasty diet, massage and stretching, supplements and herbs, meditation, positive self-talk ( becoming conscious of our thoughts and forcefully avoid negative thoughts and feelings as much as possible ) and taking it all calm without fighting back or feeding anger will help you get better faster.

    Also:

    -It took many years ( or at least months to get you this point ), it will take lots of time to recover fully. Take it easy and stay mentally focused.

    -the healing power is still there even if you cannot feel its effect. The short term energy ( i.e. libido and daily strength ) is entirely different from the original energy that is responsible for the basic functions to be allowed to happen in the first place. Gradually we should get better and better.

    #1518

    Jordan

    THE TREATMENT

    “What I have just said, therefore, indicates the most important feature of the treatment. The body as a whole must be strengthened, and the general instructions in the chapter on virility building should be followed faithfully. The suggestions on spinal stimulation are very important. Muscular exercise must be regarded as one of the most essential features of the treatment in most cases, though fresh air, sunshine, sufficient sleep, a strengthening diet and general blood-purifying measures are all necessary. Simply make yourself as perfect a specimen of manhood as you possibly can.

    A complete sexual rest is necessary in all cases, whether of prematurity, sexual neurasthenia or complete impotence. There should be no at-tempt at indulgence of any kind. This rest should last from two or three months to a year or two.

    The causes or conditions at the bottom of the trouble must always be considered. For in-stance, in a case of sexual neurasthenia, with more or less impotence, which obviously depends largely upon continuous seminal losses, it will be necessary to stop these before any marked improvement can be expected, and the special suggestions which I have given in the chapter on that subject should be carefully and diligently followed. Again, in many cases of prematurity there is considerable congestion or inflammation of the prostate gland, making it supersensitive, and this must be remedied. (See the chapter on that subject.) And sometimes one has to do with the lingering effects of. gonorrhea in this gland, or in the posterior urethra.

    Usually when there is an extreme degree of prematurity it is highly important to avoid any very stimulating treatment. The diet in such cases should be free from red meats, condiments and stimulating drinks, and should include comparatively few eggs. Even cold sitz-baths may be too stimulating, and the soothing effect of the hot sitz-bath may be more effective, though this should be replaced by the morning cold sitz-bath later on when the extremely sensitive condition of the prostate gland has been overcome.

    Remember that the cold sitz-bath is especially valuable for toning up weakened and relaxed tissues and invigorating the nerve centers. It will be of very great value for this purpose where the parts are not too sensitive and irritable. When there is inflammation the hot sitz-bath will have a quieting and soothing effect, but whenever cold water can be used without aggravating the trouble it is usually best. As a rule, the colder the water the better.

    In any one with complete impotence, especially when it has existed for some time, a more or less stimulating regimen is to be advised. This should include a fairly full diet, with eggs to the extent to which the appetite may call for them, plenty of milk or buttermilk, if appetizing, and meat at least once a day, if desired. An exclusive milk diet for two or three months might be helpful in some cases where there is serious assimilative or digestive difficulties.

    The cold sitz-bath would be very valuable, in total impotence, but the use of alternate hot and cold sitz-baths would be even more stimulating and effective, two tubs being provided for the purpose, with the hot water at 110 to 115 degrees Fahrenheit. Remain in the hot sitz-bath for one minute, then in the cold for two or three minutes, then return to the hot, and so on, making several changes and ending with the cold water.

    If the alternate hot and cold sitz-baths are not convenient, then use the cold sitz-bath in the morning, from three to five minutes, and sponge the generative organs in the evening, or at some other time during the day, with hot and cold water alternately, always ending with cold water. Five or ten minutes may be devoted to such treatment. Sun baths, in which the organs concerned are exposed directly to the rays of the sun, should be of special value in a case of this kind. Of course these suggestions must be combined with the general instructions on virility building.

    When the organs are more or less atrophied or wasted, such a stimulating course of treatment will be especially necessary, except where there is the extremely sensitive and irritable condition already mentioned. But one should be sure that there is really a wasted condition, or lack of development, before torturing himself with worry about it. Often the idea of atrophy exists only in the imagination. The sexual neurasthenic is inclined to worry about these things, and some men have an exaggerated idea as to what should be the normal size of the generative organs.

    The truth is that men differ greatly in respect to the size of these parts. The variations apparently have no relation to virility, or to the size of the individual. Some very large men have comparatively small organs, while small men occasionally have comparatively large ones. Size has nothing to do with power. There is no rule that applies, though on the average the male organ when erect measures from five to six inches. In its relaxed condition as well as erected it may be quite small without indicating any deficiency. Real atrophy of this member is not very common. An unusual shrinking may be due to anxiety or nervousness, especially when under medical examination. An exceptionally small size of this part is usually congenital.

    True atrophy of the testicles, however, is likely to result from excessive masturbation or sexual over-indulgence. Probably most cases of greatly shrunken glands are the outcome of masturbation commenced early and continued with unusual frequency during the years of growth. The same result, however, may be produced by gonorrhea or any other infection causing severe inflammation.

    It is sometimes said that atrophy of the generative organs may be the result of continence, on the theory that any part of the body not used tends to waste away. It is extremely doubtful, however, if this rule ever holds good for these particular parts. The facts apparently indicate that in practically all cases of atrophy through supposed continence there has been some other definite and direct cause in the way of abuse of one kind or another. Shrinking of these parts in the case of an abstinent and debilitated man is of course due to his debility.

    The treatment for wasted organs calls for the building up of all the tissues and nervous, digestive and muscular forces of the body by every possible means, combined with stimulating local treatment, the same as for chronic impotence. Alternate local hot- and cold-water bathing, or sitz-baths, should be persisted in, though other means of improving the circulation may also be used. The vacuum or “cupping” treatment has often been recommended in such cases, and some-times does produce results. But such treatment can rarely be advised, as it over-stimulates the nerves and blood vessels. The suction exerted by this apparatus brings a large amount of blood into the parts, and though in a few instances it might have a beneficial effect its value is questionable. Such treatment, if used, should be brief and should be followed by sponging with very cold water or by a cold sitz-bath, to prevent too much relaxation or dilatation of the blood vessels.

    Another treatment that may be very effective in extreme cases, but with which one should be equally careful, is mechanical vibration. This should not be applied directly, but only to the lower part of the pelvis or abdomen, just above the pubic bone, thus influencing the arteries which supply the generative organs. This treatment should also be brief and should precede the cold sitz-bath or cold-water sponging. It should never be used when there is trouble with seminal losses of any kind. Either the vibration or vacuum treatment might be tried in any stubborn case of impotence, as a sort of last resort, though nothing definite can be promised in the way of results.

    What are the possibilities of a cure in an individual with complete impotence? To what ex-tent can an impotent man improve himself? These are questions of vital interest. To a large extent I have answered them in the chapter dealing with the results of masturbation. Many with total impotence are cured, but I cannot promise this result always. When of long standing cure is usually difficult. I may say, however, that a gratifying improvement may certainly be secured in the majority of cases. It depends partly upon the individual and the extent of the damage done by the vices or excesses of the past or through the ravages of venereal disease. When some local inflammation is the cause a complete cure is usually possible. But when the nerve-centers are more or less paralyzed it will be much harder to get appreciable results. Do not expect a cure in a hurry. Make up your mind to live a continent life until you have regained a normal condition. This may mean any-where from a few months to two or three years.

    Such is the vitality of the human body that it can often be built up, after it seems to have been completely wrecked, to such a degree that one actually may have reason to be proud of his physique and his manhood. ”

    http://www.oldandsold.com/articles08/marriage-27.shtml

    #1520

    Tyson

    “A complete sexual rest is necessary in all cases, whether of prematurity, sexual neurasthenia or complete impotence. There should be no at-tempt at indulgence of any kind. This rest should last from two or three months to a year or two. ”

    This guy says hes treated thousands of cases and based on his texts theres no need to suspect that. Few years ago I did not believe on total abstinence or very long cycles, since I was unable to go too long maybe because of hate which kept my body too inflammatory.

    Based on this forum the effect of over-masturbation or over-ejaculation is more severe that I´ve first thought.

    If the semen is very watery, penis is inflammed with urinating problems of any kind, being not able to hold erection and being unable to get any spontaneous erection does all mean that forcing sexual practices or masturbation might cause even greater damage to the system.

    #1522

    Amado

    Like so often, i have to say, i completely agree with .

    Abstinence is one of our greatest tools in healing from sexual exhaustion.

    The difficult thing is to persist after weeks, even if you feel worse for some days. Than the desire to masturbate as a way to distract from the discomfort becomes stronger.

    I think we should let go of masturbation forever, it only has negative effects on oneself.

    We should conquer the pornography and masturbation addiction, stay celbate until we are healed and then change to a healthy sexual relationship with a woman. Moderate sex (max. 1-2 times a week) with a girl should be the way to go after one is healed.

    I learned from my research and many talks with spiritual masters and seekers, that a long period of abstinence can be of great value for healing and spiritual growth.

    I found this interesting article about the value and various advantages of celebracy: http://www.seekeronline.org/journals/y2005/may05.htm

    If any of this vital fluid escapes (voluntarily or involuntarily), the blood is drained of phosphorus, and the brain is deprived of its nourishment. Every drop of seminal fluid that is lost from the body brings disease, nervous derangement, mental decline, old age and death so much nearer to us.

    Until this loss of vital energy (in the female, the discharge of vaginal and uterine secretions, which is especially pronounced at the beginning and at the end of menstruation) is inhibited, one is like a leaking vessel, continually losing the “Water of Life,” and, therefore, slowly dying. A seminal emission is the escape of incipient brain-tissue.”

    “The normal development and well-being of body, mind and soul directly depends upon this absorbed sex fluid; and that is why an absolutely chaste life is the only healthy, natural and creative one.

    Moses said, “If any man’s seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until even”; and Jesus taught : “Whosoever is begotten of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth

    in him.”

    So let’s all become superhuman!

    #1524

    Doug

    Abstinence or ejaculation/sex/masturbation regulation creates the basis for all healing and energy cultivation. After that, we can start working on different methods, foods, herbs, supplements and all that.

    Numerous times I have thought that if I have figured out some method or food, that this is it, if I eat that I can masturbate as often as I want. But then, I come always to the same conclusion, that the underlying force which made it possible for that method to work, was the one that excessive masturbation or ejaculation depletes. So we need that nervous energy so the other methods will work, otherwise it is like Dr. Lin says running on empty batteries.

    #1526

    Rey

    Absistance I believe is key. However the only way you can be absistant is by keeping yourself busy ALL THE TIME.

    To do this you should stay outside of the home as much as possible. There is loads of things you can do such as:

    1.If you have friends, hang out with them.

    2. Do sports up to 3 hours per day. If you don’t have friends you can do something like a martial art alone in the park can’t you?. You’ll also look very cool.

    3.Go and sign up for language classses in anything you like. Do some courses on computers.

    4. Get a job where you can work long hours and you’ll no longer have the time for porn. Get two jobs if you must. You’ll be busy and make new friends.

    5.If you are at home and have nothing to do, at least play computer games instead of watching porn.

    I’m sure you can think of other things.

    #1529

    Anthony

    I found this older article, which repeats some of the truth we allready found in other older essays on the subject of masturbation:

    http://www.homeoint.org/site/ahmad/masturbation.htm

    #1531

    Oswaldo

    Ejculation / sexual regulation or general energy economy is the key, but we have to make also sure that we benefit from our practice so we do not struggle for nothing.

    #1533

    Wilford

    “A man may attain health and longevity if he practices an ejaculation frequency of twice monthly or 24 times in a year.

    If at the same time he pays careful attention to proper diet and exercise he will have a long and healthy life”

    [Sun Su-mo]

    http://www.hps-online.com/tsy4.htm

    That text includes the essence of my current knowledge, except that once every two weeks is too little for the average male. Also, we have to take care of emotional stagnations and get rid of over-thinking ( by breathing and awareness exercises ) in order to heal.

    Finding the own path will lead to this truth finally.

    #1535

    Olin

    so all these

    GPC, acytel L Cartinine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, B Vitamins, fish oil, L-Arginine. To Gradually rejuvenate the parasymthetic nerves.

    and complete abstinece of sex/mastrubation for 3 months oto 2 years

    how about just being phsyical with a girl but avoiding ejaculation, that is what someone advised me who also sufferws with this, though he devotes his life to spiritual healing

    will the very act of being aroused, still cause the loss of energy is ejacualtion is avoided ??

    I was looking to getting back into dating again after 9 years of not dating, though not abstinence, from the odd encounter or masturbation

    it seems, that is doomed

    #1537

    Rickey

    Excellent guide.

    For me, I find some abstinence does wonders, but like so many of us here, it’s hard to continue with.

    #1539

    Micheal

    After reading this thread I still don’t get the general picture of what to eat. I have PE and most likely SE too so what should I eat? I ate 3-4 eggs today but what do I need in general? I guess my brain is messed up and I need to eat fruits and drink milk (for serotonine production?). I think I don’t understand all that much.

    And what about abstinence I think it’s most important indeed, sometimes time isn’t passing fast and going lower then 2-3 times a week is almost impossible.

    #1540

    Guadalupe

    does abstaining include getting extreme naughty thoughts and exchanging raunchy chat on cam without masterbating?

    and… is there ever gonna be a recovery?? do ppl actually recover and return to normal? this question/thought is eating away at me..

    #1541

    George

    Quote:

    you can do this if you want,, your still a male and need to have some fun

    yes people heal all the time once they balance there thyroid, adrenals and other issues.. all depends how long you want to take to get to the bottom of it.

    #1543

    Jospeh

    i REALLY wanna sort this out.. cos beforre all this i had arelationship with a lass and it lasted 5 years and was full of sex atleast once or twice everyday, with the occasional three a day..

    but now i am scared if i will be able to do any of it.. this paranoia is killing me..

    #1544

    Irwin

    Hey guys, I’m new to the forum.

    Long story short, my troubles started after taking ecstasy pills one day. I’ve done ecstasy a number of time before, but after that one time things changed. I started suffereing from symptoms of sexual exhaustion and had a ‘hard flaccid penis’.

    After many months of research I’ve gotten to the bottom of it all. I had sex twice that same day I took ecstasy. Since ecstasy greatly depletes you of serotonin, what I got was a combination of sexual exhaustion and an aditional neutotrasmitter inconsistancy (of serotonin and other stuff) due to the ecstasy. It’s not that bad, I still get erections, and things pretty much return to normal after one week of not ejaculating.

    I just ran across this site now and it’s great. I got a lot to share. My plan now is abstain from porn for as long as I can, and only ejaculate when I can;t anymore, which I assume will be every 2-3 weeks. That is the road to recovery. I believe total abstitance for months is not neccesary and ridiculous. Once every two weeks should be good, depending on how bad your condition is.

    Ok, first, the single most important site that I’ve ecame across:

    http://cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/

    Dr. Richards is the only doctor I found on the web that knows thw EXACT science with everything to do with ED/SE. Read his articles and comments page. You can ask him any question and he will answer it. He sells products, but 1. they are all legit products, no bullshit harmful ingredients and 2. He doesn’t hold back anything that he knows. He answers all questions truthfully and fully, which shows he’s a devoted doctor rather than a half assed businessman.

    Now, from my experience and research, to make this brief:

    1. Abstain from masturbation for as long as you feel that your penis has returned to 100%. It may be a week or a month, wait that long. Don’t masturbate if it isn’t at 100%!!

    2. Diet has been covered many times on this forum. Eat all the healthy stuff. Avoid junk. Avoid inflamatory foods. Avoid milk, unless it’s whole milk, but I doubt you have access to whole milk.

    3. Supplements. Dr. Richards constantly recommends: his multi-vitamin but any multi-vitamin will do (VERY IMPORTANT). He recommends his A-Amino supplement, which contains all 20 amino acids I believe. (this is not mandatory but couldn;t hurt). You gotta take L’arginine. L’argining is a precursor for Nitric Oxide and is mandatory for recovery of SE.

    Next is 5-htp, for the production of serotonin. I don;t know if this is mandatory for SE, but completely neccesary in my case. I recomend it to all of you.

    Next is a GABA supplement. Not going to go into details, Dr. Richards explains it.

    Lastly is Fish Oil (omega-3). It is anti-inflamatory and neccesary for anyone with SE.

    Those are the 6 mandatory supplements to treat SE. Anything else is extra. Other things like ZMA (zinc-magnesium) and also good, but multi-vitamin covers it.

    Currently, I take fish oil, a multi-vitamin, and a ZMA every night. As soon as I make some money, I am buying the above 6 and will inform you guys on my progress.

    Now things to AVOID:

    Avoid any stupid products that claim they help with ED. Anything other then the above 6 is not neccesary. Dr. richards says that taking DHEA supplements is bad. Not gonna go into details, find the posts on his site. Alot of prodcuts have DHEA in them, so they are to be avoided.

    Avoid soy products.

    Avoid coffee.

    Avoiding alcohol and weed is obvious, but I smoke weed here and there and drink like once a week. (Going to ask Dr. Richards this week what he has to say about that).

    Avoid looking at porn and masturbating. You can use your mind to naturally get an erection, but DON’T use your hands.

    IMPORTANT: If you do look at porn, DO NOT touch your penis. Richards goes into details on that, but basically you don;t want to masturbate for longer then like 5 minutes. If you do you might ejaculate in your sleep. Had that happen to me twice, bizzare stuff, let me tell ya..

    Avoid negative thoughts! They raise your cortisol which delays the recovery. Try not to think about your SE. Live life like you used to before. Now that you know the scienfitic basis behind it all, a weight should be lifted off your shoulders. I’ll all be over in a matter of time.

    As people here said, it’s good to have sex once in a while when you feel your penis is back to healthy and feel really horny, but not before that.

    Umm, if I think of anything else, I’ll add it..

    Of course our goal is to reduce prolactin and cortisol levels to a minumum, while boosting thyroid hormones and bringing nerotrasmitters back to balance. It’ll take time, but everything will be alright!

    My last blood test showed high prolactin and cortisol. I only found out Dr. Richards site as of two weeks ago, and am commited to doing things right as of last week.

    I’ll post blood tests for prolactin and cortisol in the future. All you should post yours as well.

    Lastly, I’m 21, have had this condition for 9 months now. Have been thinking about it ALOT in the past couple months, but am now living my old life with just less sex. If I really have the urge, I’ll go to a hooker. Problem solved.

    All the best.

    – Mark

    #1545

    Francisco

    Don’t make it too complex. You are young and you’ve had this only for 9 months (most people have gone downhill for many years) so you will heal no prob.

    Just:

    -Don’t ejaculate

    -Exercise

    -Do yoga & breathing exercises

    -Eat healthy

    Don’t mess with too much chemicals, you can end up worsening things. The body does the healing, not pills.

    #1547

    Winston

    You’re right . I’m going to experiment with those few supplement just to see how I feel, but yea, this shouldn’t be more complicated than it is.

    #1550

    Courtney

    Jase

    I agree with you man.. BUT I HAVE A NIGHTFALL problem which prevents me from doing so………..WHAT DO I DO SIR?????????

    #1551

    Ferdinand

    Dopamine – sympathetic:

    Regulates testosterone levels, inhibits prolactin secretion, and can be converted to epinephrine and norepinephrine.

    Wiki

    This is where dopamine becomes heaven and hell for the sexually exhausted. Over masturbation for a prolonged period of time will alter the gene expression so dopamine gets converted into epinephrine and norepinephrine excessively, which in turn puts the body in sympathetic mode (energy usage) rather than parasypmpathetic mode (regeneration).

    Dr Lin

    The conundrum here is how do I keep a high dopamine, testosterone level, and inhibit prolactin without having dopamine excessively convert into norepinephrine.

    The solution is higher Acetylcholine and Serotonin.

    Dr Lin (Referring to a female case but same principle)

    GABA:

    Serotonin:

    Melatonin:

    Hormones

    DHEA:

    Wiki

    Testosterone:

    Dr Lin

    Oxytocin:

    This is the orgasm hormone. Prolactin is a hormone that will inhibit oxytocin production and excessive prolactin will result in orgasmic dysfunction.

    The solution is for a high dopamine level which will inhibit prolactin thus allowing oxytocin to be produced.

    Foods:

    Why I recommend eating 4-6 raw egg yolks daily

    1. Extremely high in Choline which is a main ingredient for Acetlycholine.

    2. High in Cholesterol which the body derives DHEA. DHEA is used to create Testosterone and help cure Adrenal Fatigue.

    3. Cholesterol with Magnesium create Oxytocin receptors.

    To be finished…

    GREAT POST MAN…….

    BUT can you put up the various food sources or supplements for the other hormones………….please it will be a great help

    and can we not eat cooked eggs????????

    #1553

    Mark

    sorry to be a buzzkill, but this post is pretty much bullshit. whoever this clearly doesn’t have a good understanding of what goes on in the body. it doesn’t mention sleep quality, which is absolutely essential. you need sufficient neurotransmitters and a healthy mindset to get quality sleep which is crucial for replenishing neurotransmitters and virtually everything else in the body.

    according to sleep research acytylcholine is associated with REM sleep and serotonin (and possibly other inhibitory neurotransmitters like GABA) is association with delta sleep (deep sleep – stages 3 and 4). men with depression (most people on here are probably depressed or at least have the symptoms of depression due to SE) show a decrease in deep sleep and early REM sleep onset. delta sleep regenerates the body and mind in so many ways that is vital for recovering from SE so boosting acytycholine is not really going to help much and may even be counterproductive by increasing REM onset (in turn decreasing delta sleep). i think that most of us here are lower in serotonin anyways since we all got addicted to pornography, so we probably get less deep sleep naturally. merely eating a bunch of eggs to get more choline to boost acytycholine isnt gonna do shit. the protein from the eggs is probably more beneficial and all the cholestorol in the yolk probably won’t be so good for you in the longrun. another thing- these neurotransmitters (serotonin, dopamine, acytylcholine, etc) act on receptors which produce other stuff that have the actual effect, so it’s very possible that we our receptors are burnt out, not our actual amount of neurotransmitters.

    we’re all different, with different ratios of neurotransmitters and symptoms of SE and bodily functions. there is no “ultimate” guide we can post here that will work for everyone cuz this stuff is way beyond our understanding. top doctors and researches still don’t understand so much of this and we relatively don’t know shit. our bodies have a natural way of recovering that has been fine tuned over millions of years and tweaking it is not a good idea for the most part in my opinion. i have damaged myself more trying to recover thru supplements and all the advice on here and have let go of of all this for the last year or so and have had tremendous results. i occassionally supplement with a multivitamin and/or some omega fatty acid supp but thats it. you guys just need to accept that this shit for what it is and let your body do its thing. you can allow that to happen most efficiently and effectively by eating a balanced diet (don’t overemphasize anything and be careful with supplements), exercising and walking, staying stress free/relaxed as much as possible, avoiding negative/depressing thoughts and feeling happy and optimistic, avoiding porn and/or excessive masturbation, getting a consistent sleep/wake pattern (circadian rhythm) and getting deep sleep, avoiding drugs and alcohol, and just finding something to with your life. i highly recommend going to some yoga classes and tai chi or something – i’ve been going to power yoga with my buddy like 5 times now and it’s a hell of a workout, but furthermore they teach u a lot about deep breathing, relaxation techniques, and all this shit is tremendously helpful. also, about masturbation/sex, it’s actually good for you in moderation. i would completely cut out the porn and take like a two week masturbation break, but then after that do it like once or twice a week without porn. don’t feel anxious when doing it or have guilt after or that will F*ck things up. if u can get some pussy even better.

    i just wanted to let you guys know how far ive come and how simple it really is. thinking about this so much and trying to solve it isn’t really going to get you anywhere, just focus on living in the moment happily, peacefully, and healthily. basically sleep well, eat well, think well, try to walk or get exercise reguarly, and do something meaningful with your life and everything will start working itself out. stop focusing so much on yourself – build some relationships and have some confidence and self-worth as a normal, function being of society. just remember, you won’t see the results immediately and you will likely feel worse at first, but give it some time (like a month) and i promise it will be worth it. i hope this can help and i wish you all the best

    a few good quotes:

    “control your emotion or it will control you”

    “too much of anything is bad”

    “when one eye is fixed upon your destination, there is only one eye left with which to find the way”

    #1554

    Antoine

    I just went 8 months without sex or masturbating. I have had this problem over 7 years and have experimented with frequency. I have only masturbated once a week, once a month, twice a month, and now I have gone 8 months. I have to say it seems to have helped but only a tiny bit. After this period I masturbated twice in one week and I could feel the condition and inflammation starting right back up. I am sure if I masturbated more than twice a week or even continued at twice a week I would be in the same horrible state I was in years ago. Many people say many things but I haven’t heard of a single person healing from this and I have been following this for many years.

    The doctors take your money and tell you they can heal you. Can I ask? Where is the person that healed from this? Will you please come forward.

    #1557

    Kareem

    Andy

    the fact is, your abstaining is just holding your body on the hedge

    minor or very mild sexual exhaustion may benefit from a 2-4 months of abstaining…but us we need to find possible solid methods to help our bodies to run effectively, abstaining. is just a hold state for some of us

    pass by the recovery success and see the stories, yuhu and chris threads have been moved to that section lately so i guess it can be easily red from there

    #1560

    Brendon

    I believe in addition to what is posted in this topic, the real addition to sexual recovery is overall physical and mental fitness.

    All you body functions as far as I know support each other, most important being blood circular system to deliver nutrient all over the body, breathing to increase oxygen intake and increase metabolism therefore sexual recovery,

    digestive system for better absorbtion of nutrients.

    All this I think will greatly support what already posted on this site for sexual recovery and overall health.

    #1562

    Casey

    Abstinence or ejaculation/sex/masturbation regulation creates the basis for all healing and energy cultivation. After that, we can start working on different methods, foods, herbs, supplements and all that.

    Numerous times I have thought that if I have figured out some method or food, that this is it, if I eat that I can masturbate as often as I want. But then, I come always to the same conclusion, that the underlying force which made it possible for that method to work, was the one that excessive masturbation or ejaculation depletes. So we need that nervous energy so the other methods will work, otherwise it is like Dr. Lin says running on empty batteries.

    #1563

    Elias

    Absistance I believe is key. However the only way you can be absistant is by keeping yourself busy ALL THE TIME.

    To do this you should stay outside of the home as much as possible. There is loads of things you can do such as:

    1.If you have friends, hang out with them.

    2. Do sports up to 3 hours per day. If you don’t have friends you can do something like a martial art alone in the park can’t you?. You’ll also look very cool.

    3.Go and sign up for language classses in anything you like. Do some courses on computers.

    4. Get a job where you can work long hours and you’ll no longer have the time for porn. Get two jobs if you must. You’ll be busy and make new friends.

    5.If you are at home and have nothing to do, at least play computer games instead of watching porn.

    I’m sure you can think of other things.

    #1564

    Cole

    I found this older article, which repeats some of the truth we allready found in other older essays on the subject of masturbation:

    http://www.homeoint.org/site/ahmad/masturbation.htm

    #1566

    Jody

    Ejculation / sexual regulation or general energy economy is the key, but we have to make also sure that we benefit from our practice so we do not struggle for nothing.

    #1568

    Sherwood

    “A man may attain health and longevity if he practices an ejaculation frequency of twice monthly or 24 times in a year.

    If at the same time he pays careful attention to proper diet and exercise he will have a long and healthy life”

    [Sun Su-mo]

    http://www.hps-online.com/tsy4.htm

    That text includes the essence of my current knowledge, except that once every two weeks is too little for the average male. Also, we have to take care of emotional stagnations and get rid of over-thinking ( by breathing and awareness exercises ) in order to heal.

    Finding the own path will lead to this truth finally.

    #1570

    Cletus

    so all these

    GPC, acytel L Cartinine, Alpha Lipoic Acid, B Vitamins, fish oil, L-Arginine. To Gradually rejuvenate the parasymthetic nerves.

    and complete abstinece of sex/mastrubation for 3 months oto 2 years

    how about just being phsyical with a girl but avoiding ejaculation, that is what someone advised me who also sufferws with this, though he devotes his life to spiritual healing

    will the very act of being aroused, still cause the loss of energy is ejacualtion is avoided ??

    I was looking to getting back into dating again after 9 years of not dating, though not abstinence, from the odd encounter or masturbation

    it seems, that is doomed

    #1572

    Lindsey

    Excellent guide.

    For me, I find some abstinence does wonders, but like so many of us here, it’s hard to continue with.

    #1574

    Patricia

    After reading this thread I still don’t get the general picture of what to eat. I have PE and most likely SE too so what should I eat? I ate 3-4 eggs today but what do I need in general? I guess my brain is messed up and I need to eat fruits and drink milk (for serotonine production?). I think I don’t understand all that much.

    And what about abstinence I think it’s most important indeed, sometimes time isn’t passing fast and going lower then 2-3 times a week is almost impossible.

    #1575

    Christopher

    does abstaining include getting extreme naughty thoughts and exchanging raunchy chat on cam without masterbating?

    and… is there ever gonna be a recovery?? do ppl actually recover and return to normal? this question/thought is eating away at me..

    #1577

    Porter

    Quote:

    you can do this if you want,, your still a male and need to have some fun

    yes people heal all the time once they balance there thyroid, adrenals and other issues.. all depends how long you want to take to get to the bottom of it.

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