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  • #1919

    Eddie

    aight so this is probably gona be a long post. he didnt say anything about not posting so ill share what i think i can .

    Also im just gona say. This is a very basic overview of how things went down. im doing my best to describe what it looks like but theres no way that i can mention each little conversation we had and im just stickin to the main points i suppose.

    Ill be honest I dono really where to start. I guess ill just describe what the visit was like and go from there.

    So the first thing Dr. M asked me to was to explain my symptoms and when they started. I did my best to explain my situation to him and told him about PE, mood swings, depresion, ADD, lack of energy, ED, lack of libido, and anxiety had all been a part of my life the last 14 months.

    He then started asking me extensively about my diet and I had to do my best to describe what kinda of foods I ate , how often etc etc.

    Oo by the way from the moment you start talking to him he is literally sitting there pounding away at his keyboard writing every word you spit at him.

    After i described my diet he asked me what supps i was taking or had tried etc. So i told him about the amino acids and how they had been helpin my mood and what not. I described how adding the tyrosine made me more euphoric, social , happy , less anxious etc.

    So before i even showed him my labs he was like its clear that your body is under stress and you have excess norepinephrine signaling. This leads to inflamation and its a never ending self perpettating cycle.

    He then touched my arms, asked me to do some movements, hit certain parts of my body with that little doctor hammer ( the thing he hits your knee with to see if it moves dono what its called) flashed a light in both my eyes and asked me to move them certain directions. He also took my blood presure and temperature.

    After all this ( even before the blood presure and temp actually) he said its clear your sympathetic nervous system is showing dominance. So i was like damn this guy really is good. he basically told me what no other doctor had been able to see without even looking at my labs just going off my symptoms and a body exam. Also during all this i was agreeing with him and trying my best to say stuff that i thought was important.

    So i then handed him my labs and basically he was like ya my initial thoughts are correct. It would seem your body is in this state of iflamation stress. he also said i was borderline hypothyroid due to my T4 reading. he also said my morning cortisol was way to low and it sould be about twice what it is now (mine was a 10 scale of 4-22 and he was like you sould be 17-30 even). He was pretty dismissive of the neurotransmitter testing and was like the only one that can be said is accurate is serotonin and he agreed that the low serotonin played a part. He also said i was low in iron due to my ferritin reading.

    So basically he was like your body needs to break the cylce of stress and inflamation ( we obviously knew this but nice to hear it from an actual doc) .

    So everything looks great right? Finally a doctor who really knows his shit and uderstands the problem?

    Well the one issue is the treatment hes offering me as of now. basically its not a very powerful aproach , is alot of all natural stuff and supplements, and in my opinion is not gona work. Im not gona post in detail what he told me to take cuse i dont want any troubles but lets put it this way….alot of it i have personally taken before, has been tried on here, is just viatmins and basic shit.

    The one thing is he gave me low dose T4 along with a drug called clonidine. The t4 im definetly gona take but the clonodine im on the fence about. If you look it up youll find that it does indeed reduce norepinephrine signaling. problem is when you discontinue it the sympathetic rebound is often much stronger then even before the drug so its only a short term solution. Sure it may help me temporarily but im lookin to heal my issues as permanitly as i can. Iv always known that i can take powerful drugs and create a fake health so to speak.

    I just wanna make this clear cuse I know this post seems to have a negative vibe to it. Its absolutly 100 percent clear that Dr. M is indeed as brilliant as we all thought, he fully understands the problem, and can absolutly help you recover your health. The guy truly is a machine and made a huge impresion on me.

    Im just disaponed in the treatment. At least for now I know. I asked him if this all natrual aproach dosnt work to raise my cortisol , lower NE, and break the inflamation what we would do . He said something along the lines of well at that point we would take a more direct intervention with cortef and DHEA.

    I think a big part of why im not being offered somethign more drastic is because of my age, the fact that my hormones are bad but could be alot worse, and that im a brand new patient. I guess im just frustrated by this because im highly sceptical of this aproach and feel that at the end of a few months it gona be waste.

    Iv been debatign with myself nonstop on what I sould do. I know for fact that certain things from his protocol im gona keep and add to what im doing. He also said keep up the amino acids so thats good. I really want to add transdermal preg cream 15-20 mgs in the morning . i think this along with thyroid hormone and amino acids would really help me out alot. He and i also said that i need to clean up my diet and im gona do my best to stick to a paleothic diet for the next few months.

    I might add also that my case is really fucking anoying. Alot of my hormones are right at that level that makes them acceptable and make me functional but not at a level that i find suffiicient. So i suppose it makes docs hesitant to try something more drastic right off the bad. Im just sick and fucking tired of takin shit i can buy at cvs and GNC.

    that being said i think if someone has very very clear hormonal issues such as serious adrenal fatigue (mine is mild) and low testosterone (mine is low but not terrble) , low thyroid, there is absoltly no doubt in my mind that Dr. M could put you back together no problem. I truly mean that my case is just special i suppose and just leaves me in a tough and anoying spot.

    i dono what to write anymore really. Im still really tired from the trip so i know this is kinda messy. But please feel free to ask me whatever .Ill do my best to answer. Im open to any thoughts and opinions i havnt made any final decisions on what im gona do so i really would love to hear what you guys think.

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    #1921

    Lonnie

    o i also asked him about ejaculation frequency . He was like well it will defintly help in controlling spikes of NE and inflamation so not doing it to often will help. He also said that if your body was healthy on every level that you could have sex as much as you wanted and it wouldnt be a big deal.

    So sorta what we had been saying abstainin will not cure you but in the initial stages of healin it can help your body break the cycle of inflamation.

    #1923

    Graig

    sorry….i guess im waking up a lil now so more thoughts keep coming to me.

    Basically my main dilema right now is this. I feel like I know that I have to do really start healing. I also feel that I know what I have to do to achieve that and it dosnt exactly correlate with his plan for me .

    So the question comes down to……do i say F*ck it and go with my gut and just take Preg cream, tyroid hormone, amino acids, HCG, androgel, and arimidex…….or do i try his aproach……see it fail…….then wait for him to eventually come to all the same conclusions except like a year later?

    #1925

    Silas

    Hey Js,

    I can’t tell you which route would be better to take but If I were in your shoes, I would take his approach for a year in addition to my amino acid therapy and put everything else (preg/dhea/cortef/hcg/test/adex) on hold for the time being. I would do this because I would have a chance to get rid of this ordeal once and for all and could have a normal life. but if the approach failed, I would seek more direct interventions keeping in mind that I have to be on these forums, chasing numbers, and adjusting meds for the rest of my life.

    I’m not sure about clonidine. I know for a fact that the rebound experience from meds is real since my mom took antihistamines for her sinus infecton for 6 months (it was a special case). they worked like a charm but when she discontinued the meds, the rebound effect was so strong that she’d wake up in the middle of the night to cough more than before.

    #1927

    Irvin

    Hey Js,

    I can’t tell you which route would be better to take but If I were in your shoes, I would take his approach for a year in addition to my amino acid therapy and put everything else (preg/dhea/cortef/hcg/test/adex) on hold for the time being. I would do this because I would have a chance to get rid of this ordeal once and for all and could have a normal life. but if the approach failed, I would seek more direct interventions keeping in mind that I have to be on these forums, chasing numbers, and adjusting meds for the rest of my life.

    I’m not sure about clonidine. I know for a fact that the rebound experience from meds is real since my mom took antihistamines for her sinus infecton for 6 months (it was a special case). they worked like a charm but when she discontinued the meds, the rebound effect was so strong that she’d wake up in the middle of the night to cough more than before.

    see thats the whole thing……i dont think my ordeal would be over after doing what he wants so far.

    A year is to much man. I cant do that shit. If after a year of tryin something like that and it failing i dono what i would do . I think it would break me.

    #1928

    Darrell

    As i used to say…abstaining is crucial in this period

    If i were you..i would take his approach, it will push you to a certain stage after 4 months or so….your belief in the failure of this approach is a subconscious thing related to the failure of many over here to reach to their hemostats taking Vitaminsminerals

    it will affect you if you take vitamin….for sure but you need to do the right dosage..if you had a deficiency in iron he would probably give a 180mg ferric fumarate or something close to it to raise ferritin

    its essential to raise your ferritin to maintain a healthy body…low ferritin is responsible for mental function and poor immune system

    Multivitamins and calmg are important ….or you can say it helps the body to function properly with such conditions

    knowing this, i wonder if he suspected your Vitamin D…because a low ferritin could be a sign of hypothyroidism

    Check your Vitamin A levels…also

    I have a theory…but i dont know if its right or not but….when you have hypothyroidism your Liver flush the nutrients that is stored in it and i mean the fat soluble ones

    Take a leap of faith and dont think of failure….we are all in the same shoe

    go with his approach and if something happens….. continue with him and seek another method that he suggest

    Complete foods Multivitamin Herbs will heal you…..and i believe in this with out doubt

    #1929

    Virgilio

    Great post.. damn finally saw DR M.

    I wanna say you should just follow your gut, as I doubt his method will work either (he probably hasn’t had much patients with this so he is still trying to discover treatments), but I also think that if you follow up with his treatment and tell him it’s not working then he will learn from his mistakes and begin creating a more precise form of treatment (which, sadly, is something we all probably have a better grasp of on this forum as of now). Or go see crysler.

    #1931

    Carmine

    so if you really BELIEVE there is no chance in hell that his shit would work out, talk to him and convince him that you wanna go for broke and if he doesn’t approve, see somebody else like Dr. John. but what if you CAN get better without HRT, that’s very promising and tempting.

    If you go by his method, you have two choices in the future. you can stop cold turkey, and go on HRT. But If you go on HRT, you have only one option. I don’t think that you can stop cold turky and be okay. plus, I’ve never heard that ppl go on hrt and then try the natural stuff.

    I know a year is too much, but you might regret not taking the chance in the future. just think about it hard. It’s an important decision and only yours to make. Do you wanna gamble (or maybe waste) one year of your life to get better or get better on HRT (almost a certainty) and be on these forums for the rest of your life? it’s one year vs. many years. as for me, I know that in a few months, I WILL go on HRT and I’ll be on these forums for ever. but my hormones are all out of whack and I have no other choice. so think it through. either way I wish you the best of luck.

    #1932

    Zachery

    Great post.. damn finally saw DR M.

    I wanna say you should just follow your gut, as I doubt his method will work either (he probably hasn’t had much patients with this so he is still trying to discover treatments), but I also think that if you follow up with his treatment and tell him it’s not working then he will learn from his mistakes and begin creating a more precise form of treatment (which, sadly, is something we all probably have a better grasp of on this forum as of now). Or go see crysler.

    i agree. you actually really captured how i feel about the situation. I suppose I just dont want to waste the next 2 months waitin for my first fone consult .

    #1934

    Jerald

    Hey man,

    if I were you I wouldn’t go down the vitamin route.

    It is a more conservative approach, and you are already feeling pretty good as is with the amino acids alone.. so there is a chance it will work. But honestly I think the benefit is only gonna be minor. Just like Vit D or w/e you were taking before pushed your T up just a bit, but not to desired level… so a year of this trial and error is too much.

    Did you tell him right away that you wanna try Preg cream?? What does he think about that?

    I would assume that normally he deals with more severe cases like you said. So he doesn’t wanna put you on trt.. I agree. I think if you fix thyroid and cortisol your T should def rise.

    So I would tell him straight up I don’t wanna do the vitamins. I wanna try Preg or DHEA right away.

    IF preg and dhea don’t work after 2 months or w/e THEN you can try the vitamin approach. Because I think preg is much more likely to work. And then seeing where your T is at after preg you can decide if you want trt or not. So it’s kinda like your doing the steps backwards from amino to trt.. but order doesn’t matter.

    Also the paleothic diet is a bit extreme. What are you only gonna eat berries instead of grains? That’s too much. I’m sure you can eat a variety of fruits and some whole grain here and there and be just as healthy.

    Also your norepinephrine is actually low.

    And I don’t know about the whole inflammation thing. I think the term is too generalized. Because Tech’s cortisol, thyroid, and T actually looks better than yours, but he seems to have more inflammation… probably because his NE is high, yours is low. So you are kinda a special case.

    Anyway, I’d skip the vitamins and go right into preg or dhea and w/e he gave you for thyroid. Vitamins you can always add later for fine tuning just like aminos.

    #1935

    Cyril

    so if you really BELIEVE there is no chance in hell that his shit would work out, talk to him and convince him that you wanna go for broke and if he doesn’t approve, see somebody else like Dr. John. but what if you CAN get better without HRT, that’s very promising and tempting.

    If you go by his method, you have two choices in the future. you can stop cold turkey, and go on HRT. But If you go on HRT, you have only one option. I don’t think that you can stop cold turky and be okay. plus, I’ve never heard that ppl go on hrt and then try the natural stuff.

    I know a year is too much, but you might regret not taking the chance in the future. just think about it hard. It’s an important decision and only yours to make. Do you wanna gamble (or maybe waste) one year of your life to get better or get better on HRT (almost a certainty) and be on these forums for the rest of your life? it’s one year vs. many years. as for me, I know that in a few months, I WILL go on HRT and I’ll be on these forums for ever. but my hormones are all out of whack and I have no other choice. so think it through. either way I wish you the best of luck.

    Thanks man. You give good advice. Ill be honest I think that No matter what at some point my life im gona be on HRT. If not now then in a few years. I think once your body goes through SE its damaged enough that you will never naturally recover to peak or really good levels. I dont want to be stuck at mediocore for next few years espcially if i end up goin on HRT in the anyway. I rather just start now and get usd to it and reap the benefits. also i really really do not believe there are any supplments and all natural methods that can fully reverse this. and im only interested in pursuing reversing this as much as possible as opposed to like 75 percent.

    #1937

    Reginald

    That shit would break me too man your kinda making me want to see crysler instead.

    You and me are the same age, so.. he would probably give us similar treatment.. =/

    Honestly, why don’t you just see crisler instead?

    He sounds like the type of guy to do something more drastic like hormone therapy. Not only that, but I have personally believed that a DO who is aware of SE would be better than an MD in curing SE.

    na dude see mariano especially if your in CALI. he really does fully understand whats goin on in the body.

    #1939

    Tracey

    Frenchi,

    lmao great mind think alike right?

    No joke ill just tell you guys what he wants me to do.

    Morning

    1)50 mg levothyroxine (T4 med…..this good im defintly going this)

    2) 1000 mg fishoil

    3) Vitamin A 10000 IU

    4) Vitamin b12 sublingual 2000 mcg

    5) Vitamin B complex

    6) Vitamin D 5000 IU

    Evening

    1) Clonidine .1 mg

    2) Guaifenesin ( generic mucinex to couteract some sides from clonodine)

    3) ferrous glycine 25 mg( iron supp to raise ferrtin im gona do this )

    4) Vitamin C 1000 mg

    5) vitamin B complex

    6) Vitamin D 5000 IU

    he also said continue amino acid therapy as long as u see benfits.

    So basically this is a complete waste of time.

    Postive things from this =

    1) thyroid hormone is good shit

    2) iron supp to raise ferritin

    3) He told me to change from just P5p to a b complex that has p5p and this actually really makes sense. He told me how the b vitamins fight for each other so you need a balace so im gona switch that in my amino acid protocol.

    4) vitamin D is decent iv done it before but nothing special not strong enough for SE. Maybe someone who had general health problems.

    Negative things

    1) clonidine is a short term solution for reducing sympathetic output. From all the research iv been able to find on it causes a massive rebound when discontinued. This to me is along the same lines as SSRIS and benzos, alpha blockers and im not interested in this aproach and refuse to do it.

    2) A vast majority of the supplements he offered me i have either tried, someone on here has tried, or are just pointless. i think we all know vitamins are not gona do diddly squat.

    3) im not taking mucinex as part of any treatment plan thats retarted.

    Overall I think alot of it is just a waste of time and is just not powerful enough.

    I did mention Preg cream to him and he really seemed adament about how he thought my cortisol would naturally recover if i tried this treatment. Im like 99 percent sure it wont and honestly its just not worth trying. He honeslty seems like a very its my way or the highway kind of doctor. I mean i suppose i would be to if i was as smart as him. He said later if it didnt we would take a more direct route in confronting it. I suppose I just wish he had taken this route right away.

    When i say paleothetic diet im just not gona eat alot of carbs and mostly stick to meats and vegatables. Im sure every once in a while ill eat whole grain.

    I think its more like my NE signal is excesive but actually NE is low. So my sympathetic nervous system is still dominant but the actually hormone is not that high so the inflamation isnt nearly as severe as alot of you guys. thats why i dont have precum leakage and hard flacid i believe.

    this is where we totally agree once again. Ill be honest iv been dealing with for 14 months now. I dont want to waste my time doing this protocol. So im going to do the following ( iv already ordered everything lol )

    morning

    15 mg Life flo transdermal Preg cream ( based on my adrenal output this sould really be a perfect dose. Hopefullly it goes down the cortisol pathway.)

    50 mg T4

    5000 mg Tyrosine

    1000 mg alpha gpc

    50 mg p5p

    b complex

    5000 iu vitamin d

    10000 iu vitamin A

    afternoon

    2 grams tryptophan

    75 mg sublingual 5htp

    10 grams glutamine

    b complex and p5p

    early evening

    5000 mg Tyrosine

    1000 mg alpha gpc

    50 mg p5p

    b complex

    Night

    2 grams tryptophan

    75 mg sublingual 5htp

    50 mg p5p

    b complex

    5000 iu vitamin D

    iron supp

    So the main additions to this are the Preg cream and thyroid hormone. Hopefully these really straighten out some more of my hormonal functioning.

    The vitamin A, D im adding since they are aparrently healthy. I dont wanna piss off mariano to much. and vitamin D does have some hormonal benefits so F*ck it why not.

    the iron supp is good to for ferritin will see how this goes. he said it takes 6 months to build up iron. Fuckin nuts.

    Also he said my next phone consult sould be in 2 months or so. Im retesting all the pertenenent hormones about 3 weeks before that so will see where this plan leaves me. Im just gona tell him on the phone i added the Preg cream and im not interested in other natural aproaches.

    By raising cortisol, thyroid, aminos im gona see where this leaves me in 2 to 3 months. Hopefully there are improvements. Ill see what mariano says and what not. If its something i dotn agree with im gona order a few months supply of HCG from all day chemist and take that uro up on his offer of androgel and arimidex mostl likely.

    #1940

    Efren

    hahahah I just pictured Mariano literally saying “its my way or the highway”

    Vitamins look good. Only question why so much Vit A?? I think 10000 iu is borderline overdose lol.

    About Preg – you should probably tell him you’re gonna add it first so he doesn’t get pissed.. and also IF it doesn’t go down the cortisol pathway then you should tell him right away.. that should give him clues about what’s happening and how DHT is involved and may help you out.

    Also from what I read on the other forum.. people are saying try Preg only before introducing thyroid.. because sometimes fixing adrenals fixes thyroid… but I noticed people started taking both together as well. Just wanna tell you you should know what you’re doing if you’re doing this on your own. Also play around with the dose.. 15 ml might be little… people take as much as 200 ml (13 sprays).

    Ya I think the protocol you came up with is solid. It incorporates everything he suggested + the preg. I think it’ll work.. and a better long term plan. And then the last thing left to tweak would be T.

    #1942

    Howard

    ya iv seen the fix adrenals and then thyroid often falls into place talk as well. Makes sense it was my original plan but F*ck it ill just go hardcore and add both.

    I think 15 mg is a perfect startin dose. Keep in mind it really only my mornin cortisol that sucks asshole. If i feel like i need more ill go up to 30 mg and so forth. I saw Pmgamer talkin about how 30 mg got his preg test up from 11 to like 73 and then a few weeks later 111 or some shit. and he used the same brain i ordered so will see where 15 mg gets me. Also i no preg can suppress natural cortisol so i dont wanna overdue it.

    I plan on being very honest with mariano because i wanan work with him so i dont want to F*ck up our relationship lol. Will see where this leaves me hopefully shit works out.

    if it dosnt i really dont even care im fucked up as it is anyway.

    #1944

    Ellsworth

    JS, I think you need to stick with Dr. M

    He pretty much HAS to start you off naturally, think about it if you were in his shoes. He can’t take everything you say and accept it. He has to put you on a plan himself, and see what happens, what works and what doesn’t. Doing this will allow him to rule certain things out, and change the protocol accordingly. I think in the end you could waste more money doing this on your own, then seeing him.

    I say stick with Dr. M for at least a year, if you see no improvement, you can at least say you tried. You don’t want this in the back of your mind nagging at you saying ” I wish I had stuck with Dr. M”

    Just my opinion.

    #1945

    Heriberto

    F*ck…….i dono man F*ck lol . you have good points iv thought of all that myself. i am sorta basically doing his treament minus fishoils , clonodine, but plus preg cream. id ono whatever F*ck it.

    #1946

    Zachary

    is it difficult to get meds for you? dr m can prescribe them for you and save you some money

    plus how you gonna take that shit on the airplane when you are healed and are off to the dominican republic to pound some chicks?

    i’d say stick with him

    he can also get you testing done.. don’t forget that one too

    mention everything beforehand like adding in preg, if he refuses you can always try it a couple weeks and if it’s shit just drop it and he’ll never know you took it

    what about the rebound on the clonidine? what dosage are we talking about? i haven’t read the info but couldn’t you dose it EOD or some shit?

    honestly, i can get everything i want from the black market and the internet, but it somehow still sounds right to have a doctor reviewing my case

    and well it may cost a couple thousand this year, but at least next year you know when to go looking for a new doc

    and if you really really wanted it so bad trt, you could always start t and hcg for 2-3 months see how it works and if nothing, try a restart at your age you might be easily able to

    perhaps it will reset you to “normal” again without SE

    well that’s my rant for now, you know in your heart what to do, and if you have decided, well then it’s impossible for us to change your view no matter what we type

    thanks for the report man, interesting

    and hopefully you’ll find your way out of this ordeal!

    #1948

    Kristopher

    ya according to my research its illegal for US citizens to get meds from online pharmacies. Its actually why i got banned from musclechat lol.

    Werd im gona do my best to stick with Dr. M. hopefully i dont F*ck this up because having a prescription would be convenient.

    the testing i can do whever i want thanks to Dr. O and hans. thank god for this is crucial.

    thats sorta what im thinkin with the Preg. I think theres ways of him not really findin out. But if it does work and raise my mornin cortisol then its gona mislead him. Whatever will see maybe the mornin of the blood draw i wont take it and my coortisol will be shity again lol.

    I dono the doses that apply to the rebounds but aparently when you take it for a while and stop your sympathetic overactivty gets even worse. F*ck that. Plus its just a temporary solution. Im really not gona do this no matter what basically.

    Your lucky you got the blackmarket thing figured out. I dont know where to look and i feel like this is mad unrealiable. But whatever ill do whatever it takes in the end so will see always an option.

    thats why i think i may go with the androgel and HCG eventually. At best it will work well and ill get a great boost from it. At worst it wont and ill get shut down. i can try clomid and see what happens. Either way its a win win for me kinda. At this point i really could care less.

    werd thanks for the advice/support.

    #1950

    Everette

    This almost looks like the exact same treatment he started me off at the beginning , he also told me this would fix my cortisol and many other issues , long story short it didnt work obviously and it took a fucking year for me to start my real treatment , in my opinion you need to get straight to the source man and not waste time , dr m does have a very conservative approach at the beginning which i dont blame him that shows hes a amazing doctor the fact that hes trying to naturally fix hes patients first before having them go on drugs , but for us its a little different because most of us have already expermented with all those supplements so we preety much know what we have to do already , stick with DR M he is a amazing doctor you cant even imagine what ive learned from him this past year working with him , the only thing is i dont understand why it took this long for my full treatment to start im telling you skip all this bullshit hook up with him on the phone asap and tell him you want to start on cortef and stuff , hes a very chill doc and will say yes for most prescriptions you ask him for as long it makes sense to him , btw you booked an appointment with dr m not to lon ago a few weeks ago? and you already flew out to see him? that was fast man your not joking around lol it was just 3 weeks ago you said you were going to see him?

    #1952

    Sidney

    Dude i fucking love you. You just made me feel ten times better. TOLD YOU guys i wasnt being an asshole. Thank god….

    that being said im not tryin to waste another year of my life tinkering around with vitamins and whos knows what. my next fone consult im definetly gona talk to him about all this. I think im just gona go ahead with my plan and if it works and i feel better im gona straight up tell him that I did preg etc etc and it made me feel better. Well will see where this all leaves me.

    I definetly wanna keep working with him even my dad who is clueless about the vast majority of this was like holy shit that guy is an absolute machine.

    My dad before the apointment was actually like you do realize that hes not gona be able to tell you much from this initial meeting….hes gotta anazlyze and digest your labs……lmao Dr. M was no joke spitting back answers and what each and every blood test meant as he looked at them Shit was nuts.

    dude thanks for the advice im def gona do my best to to convey that message to him.

    and ya i dont F*ck around man the sooner i deal with all this the better. Im pretty sneaky so iv been working on seeing Dr. M basically a day after you posted your story on here. I had been thinkin about seein him for a while before that but after hearin what you said i was like F*ck it we out.

    I had liek 300 bucks and for christmas i was like all i want is for you guys to help me fund this apointment. I figured that by march or so id be ready but my dad really surprized me and was like well since your tranfering back home and saving us 15 grand a year we sould do this trip ASAP and ill come with you.

    so i was super fortunate my pops really hooked it up. Either way though for next two years im hopefully gona be working my ass of and what not so i can afford all this.

    Also arvi did you have full blown adrenal fatigue? and your T was liek 300s right?

    he said that he thought my T was fine and not that important. i gotta make him see the light lol

    #1953

    Trinidad

    yo when you say hook up with him on the phone you mean phone consult right?

    You cant just call him and be like hey dude ?

    #1955

    Randy

    boosting your thyroid and cortisol should boost your T by 200 points if not more , if it doesnt then you can add testosterone/hcg , and ya my adrenals were fryed big time , my adrenals actually work in a very weird way some days my cortisol is excellent and some days its down to shit.

    #1957

    Salvador

    ya phone consult

    #1962

    Erwin

    Follow his advice but DONT take shit unless he says its okay and hes aware of it. It’ll be hard for him to help you if you decide to take half the shit he tells you and take other crap that various forum members suggest. Bring up your ideas with him and see what he says.

    #1965

    Armand

    ya werd im still debating everything in my head. i think i may actually just continue takin the vitamins and minerals.

    ill wait the 2 months (which sucks but i dont wanna lose dr. M)

    and at that point if nothing has improved (which is likely) im gona start talkin about doin some more drastic stuff with him.

    #1967

    Eddy

    I called in december and got a january apointment so i guess usually about a month.

    #1968

    Theron

    ya ur right i started today….ill see where this gets me. just gotta be patient for now. no dumb moves.

    Ill just have the pregnenalone stored in case and further use. Dosnt matter.

    i figure my plan of action is gona be something like this

    1)Give Marianos treatment a try. See what happens after two months.

    2)If after two months no improvements in cortisol, testosterone, mood, libido talk to to Dr. M about preg cream cortef and more drastic treatment.

    3)If Dr. M gives cortef/Preg cream or whatever deemed neccesary then add that to treatment.

    4)If he doesn’t then add on my own

    A)Preg Cream

    B)HCG

    C)Androgel (if still available)

    in the meantime im gona continue retesting amino acids and neuros and once im at stable good levels reduce to maintance.

    thanks for the help/advice all you guys

    #1970

    Barney

    Good call. I’m sure things will work out for you with this plan.

    #1972

    Danilo

    this looks like a good path all of us should take…

    this is by chillin from muscle chat

    Quote:

    #1974

    Randall

    Max

    This is basically what im going for. Chillin is the shit i really love his posts so informative. Unfortuantly i gotta give these vitamins a try for now but whatever gives me some more time to prepare all the other pieces of my plan.

    Hey max I heard you use micronized preg? Is this true? If it is how has it worked for you? Have you seen improvements in cortisol , DHEA etc?

    If i get to this point i was gona go with transdermal but im still interested in other ways if neeccasary.

    #1976

    Aron

    Thanks for the post by Chillin. Basically the complete guide on what can be done without getting on TRT.

    What’s the difference between micronized preg and regular oral preg?

    Has micronized worked for people at Musclechat?

    I noticed most people stick with transdermal. I know you can overdose a lot easier with oral as opposed to transdermal. Is that the only disadvantage though? assuming micronized is absorbed really well as well.

    #1977

    Leonardo

    i think Pregnenalone has no absorbtion unless its mirconized. if you buy some basic cheap preg i think its useless.

    It would seem that alot more people do better on transdermal.

    #1978

    Trevor

    JS why has dr.M prescribed you levothyroxine?? Do you have problems with your thyroid?

    #1979

    Claudio

    This almost looks like the exact same treatment he started me off at the beginning , he also told me this would fix my cortisol and many other issues , long story short it didnt work obviously and it took a fucking year for me to start my real treatment , in my opinion you need to get straight to the source man and not waste time , dr m does have a very conservative approach at the beginning which i dont blame him that shows hes a amazing doctor the fact that hes trying to naturally fix hes patients first before having them go on drugs , but for us its a little different because most of us have already expermented with all those supplements so we preety much know what we have to do already , stick with DR M he is a amazing doctor you cant even imagine what ive learned from him this past year working with him , the only thing is i dont understand why it took this long for my full treatment to start im telling you skip all this bullshit hook up with him on the phone asap and tell him you want to start on cortef and stuff , hes a very chill doc and will say yes for most prescriptions you ask him for as long it makes sense to him , btw you booked an appointment with dr m not to lon ago a few weeks ago? and you already flew out to see him? that was fast man your not joking around lol it was just 3 weeks ago you said you were going to see him?

    #1982

    Cory

    Dude i fucking love you. You just made me feel ten times better. TOLD YOU guys i wasnt being an asshole. Thank god….

    that being said im not tryin to waste another year of my life tinkering around with vitamins and whos knows what. my next fone consult im definetly gona talk to him about all this. I think im just gona go ahead with my plan and if it works and i feel better im gona straight up tell him that I did preg etc etc and it made me feel better. Well will see where this all leaves me.

    I definetly wanna keep working with him even my dad who is clueless about the vast majority of this was like holy shit that guy is an absolute machine.

    My dad before the apointment was actually like you do realize that hes not gona be able to tell you much from this initial meeting….hes gotta anazlyze and digest your labs……lmao Dr. M was no joke spitting back answers and what each and every blood test meant as he looked at them Shit was nuts.

    dude thanks for the advice im def gona do my best to to convey that message to him.

    and ya i dont F*ck around man the sooner i deal with all this the better. Im pretty sneaky so iv been working on seeing Dr. M basically a day after you posted your story on here. I had been thinkin about seein him for a while before that but after hearin what you said i was like F*ck it we out.

    I had liek 300 bucks and for christmas i was like all i want is for you guys to help me fund this apointment. I figured that by march or so id be ready but my dad really surprized me and was like well since your tranfering back home and saving us 15 grand a year we sould do this trip ASAP and ill come with you.

    so i was super fortunate my pops really hooked it up. Either way though for next two years im hopefully gona be working my ass of and what not so i can afford all this.

    Also arvi did you have full blown adrenal fatigue? and your T was liek 300s right?

    he said that he thought my T was fine and not that important. i gotta make him see the light lol

    #1984

    Johnathan

    yo when you say hook up with him on the phone you mean phone consult right?

    You cant just call him and be like hey dude ?

    #1986

    Tim

    boosting your thyroid and cortisol should boost your T by 200 points if not more , if it doesnt then you can add testosterone/hcg , and ya my adrenals were fryed big time , my adrenals actually work in a very weird way some days my cortisol is excellent and some days its down to shit.

    #1988

    Bernard

    ya phone consult

    #1989

    Pasquale

    what was your T again btw? i forgot

    #1991

    Jeffry

    one more thing i just need to add man even though you hooked up with dr M now its still going to take time until you guys find the right treatment and protocol for you, for example we switched my thyroid medication 3 times until we found the right one for my body , all im saying is be patient keep working with dr M but dont expect anything to be fixed overnight.

    #1993

    Jeff

    anywere from 380 to 550….. the last couple months its been in the 480 to 530 region so its not terrible. Im not like impotent or anything i can obviously get erections.

    Im just more concerned with adressing all aspects of inflamation.

    Hopefully thyroid and adrenals get me where i need to be.

    #1995

    Clayton

    Follow his advice but DONT take shit unless he says its okay and hes aware of it. It’ll be hard for him to help you if you decide to take half the shit he tells you and take other crap that various forum members suggest. Bring up your ideas with him and see what he says.

    #1997

    Martin

    How far was he backed up? Like how long should I call in advance if I want an appointment?

    #2001

    Alfonso

    I called in december and got a january apointment so i guess usually about a month.

    #2005

    Foster

    this looks like a good path all of us should take…

    this is by chillin from muscle chat

    Quote:

    #2007

    Armando

    Max

    This is basically what im going for. Chillin is the shit i really love his posts so informative. Unfortuantly i gotta give these vitamins a try for now but whatever gives me some more time to prepare all the other pieces of my plan.

    Hey max I heard you use micronized preg? Is this true? If it is how has it worked for you? Have you seen improvements in cortisol , DHEA etc?

    If i get to this point i was gona go with transdermal but im still interested in other ways if neeccasary.

    #2009

    Norman

    Thanks for the post by Chillin. Basically the complete guide on what can be done without getting on TRT.

    What’s the difference between micronized preg and regular oral preg?

    Has micronized worked for people at Musclechat?

    I noticed most people stick with transdermal. I know you can overdose a lot easier with oral as opposed to transdermal. Is that the only disadvantage though? assuming micronized is absorbed really well as well.

    #2012

    Antoine

    JS why has dr.M prescribed you levothyroxine?? Do you have problems with your thyroid?

    #2014

    Ronny

    Im slightly hypothyroid according to him. He also said that It may boost my overall metabolism and hence boost my cortisol. Will see but I doubt it.

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